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BTW, there is more to this story… About a week after his meeting with the genie, Luigi was grubbing up his old, sickly hybrid grapevines & was replanting the rows with brand new rose bushes when the genie once again magically appeared before him. The genie said, "One thing I forgot to tell you Luigi, and this is very important…If you ever tell anyone about your magic urine, and by telling the story you incite a political, moral, or religious debate, then your magic urine will be Chianti Classico Grand Reserva no longer. Instead, it will be lowly Mad Dog 20/20 forever!" Without saying a word, Luigi dejectedly bowed his head, and walked over to his few remaining DeChaunac vines and began to take cuttings. Ed — The Viticulture FAQ & Glossary – http://www.itsmysite.com/vitfaq "I like on the table, when we’re speaking, The light of a bottle of intelligent wine." -Pablo Neruda Before you buy.
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Ahh….Dudes? One man’s religious beliefs can be another man’s bed wetting, wake-up-screaming night mare. I won’t say I agree or disagree with prayer in school, how some ever, they (religious views / opinions) would probably be best left off of _this_ NG. I’m reminded of a discussion that occurred not so long ago that really tore through the fabric of many relations on this News Group. Thanks, Jim L.
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Lincoln), during thier allotted 5 minutes at Arecibo: Ahh….Dudes? One man’s religious beliefs can be another man’s bed wetting, wake-up-screaming night mare. I won’t say I agree or disagree with prayer in school, how some ever, they (religious views / opinions) would probably be best left off of _this_ NG. I’m reminded of a discussion that occurred not so long ago that really tore through the fabric of many relations on this News Group. Thanks, Jim L.
If you’re saying we ought to talk about wine instead, I agree 
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just the same, it seems as if something very valuable is steadily being sloughed off of society. It’s as though tradition and belief are becoming obsolete… or perhaps replaced by a general attitude along the lines of "I am all powerful, I am the God of my destiny, I make all the rules". I’m pretty sure that’s not the solution either… Maybe there isn’t one, or… Maybe the real solution is what is already here, and always has been: destruction and rebirth, endlessly. Perhaps the real faith should be that of "I will somehow survive bad times, and neglect good times, and eventually die, and the world will never change, because it never has"… Cheers! - NR
I was raised as a christian and was confirmed when i was 16. As a britsh army officer i was expected to display my christianity formally but i did not object to that. I found as I grew older and perhaps a little wiser that I could not believe in god and life in the hereafter! The sight of salmon fighting their way up stream just to spawn and die seems to me to belie the existance of "PIE in the sky when we die." Having said that we do need a moral code to live by. my own sense of right anf wrong and duty to other was largely engendered by my mother and father, who never attended church regularly except for chritening, weddings and funerals but they ensure that I was given the basic teaching of the church of england and it music. I am forever grateful for the music because it still gies me much pleasure and some much very good choraal music originates from the church. I dont know what the answer is! I find that politicians trying to impose a moral code fail miserably but there is a need to quantify our behaviour to each other and live by an acceptable set of rules! Nuff said by me I think! Pleasant companionship with a few glasses of a well aged claret and all the trouble become insignificant — From Trevor A Panther In South Yorkshire, England "Wine is a delight to all the senses"
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Yaaawwwn! … what’s your point ? go somewhere else … PLEEEEASE! " And imposing the God of Christianity would make things better? Having – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Christian beliefs included in public education didn’t do much to prevent the oppression or mistreatment of blacks, Jews, gays, or women in years past. You can’t even get Christians to agree on what Christian beliefs are. I have a Pentecostal friend who thinks the Catholic church is a cult. It opens up too many areas for disagreement and confusion, and just puts teachers in a difficult position. Keep religion out of the public schools. If parents want to instill religious beliefs in their children, that’s their right, but I won’t have my tax dollars supporting such an endeavor. Brian
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following distant transmission from "Brian Lundeen" Arecibo: And imposing the God of Christianity would make things better? Having Christian beliefs included in public education didn’t do much to prevent the oppression or mistreatment of blacks, Jews, gays, or women in years past. You can’t even get Christians to agree on what Christian beliefs are. I have a Pentecostal friend who thinks the Catholic church is a cult. It opens up too many areas for disagreement and confusion, and just puts teachers in a difficult position. Keep religion out of the public schools. If parents want to instill religious beliefs in their children, that’s their right, but I won’t have my tax dollars supporting such an endeavor. Brian
I agree about the Christianity issue… Around here, the Christians seem to think that Jesus really meant you should spend all your time shooting deer, watching football, drinking moonshine, and gossiping about so-and-so. Even the members of one church can’t agree on anything. The leadership in the nearby Church of Christ is a vicious political game of pettiness and power. Just the same, it seems as if something very valuable is steadily being sloughed off of society. It’s as though tradition and belief are becoming obsolete… or perhaps replaced by a general attitude along the lines of "I am all powerful, I am the God of my destiny, I make all the rules". I’m pretty sure that’s not the solution either… Maybe there isn’t one, or… Maybe the real solution is what is already here, and always has been: destruction and rebirth, endlessly. Perhaps the real faith should be that of "I will somehow survive bad times, and neglect good times, and eventually die, and the world will never change, because it never has"… Cheers! - NR "We are George Ohm of Borg, resistance is voltage devided by current." C3 Agentmaking Script Numbers 41700-41750 Reserved. http://web.infoave.net/~missy1/osiris http://web.infoave.net/~missy1/nukenorn http://members.xoom.com/Nite417 <–under reconstruction http://niter417.virtualave.net/ <–under construction
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However, if I were in a school right now, I could wear a shirt depicting Satan and a band of demons devouring a virgin in the name of anarchy, that would be acceptible… but, if I were to say a prayer in the Lord’s name while wearing that shirt, well, that just wouldn’t be acceptible…
Assuming we are talking about the public K-12(or 13) school system here: 1. You probably wouldn’t be allowed to wear it 2. If you were, recognize that it is a personal statement, not reflective of school policy 3. Nobody in a school will stop you from praying on your own, in private. 4. If the school is making the students pray, then they are imposing religious beliefs which may not be welcome. It is a violation of freedom of religion, which must include the right to worship the God of your choice, or no God at all, if that is your desire. And we wonder why our moral fabric is coming apart at the seams,
And imposing the God of Christianity would make things better? Having Christian beliefs included in public education didn’t do much to prevent the oppression or mistreatment of blacks, Jews, gays, or women in years past. You can’t even get Christians to agree on what Christian beliefs are. I have a Pentecostal friend who thinks the Catholic church is a cult. It opens up too many areas for disagreement and confusion, and just puts teachers in a difficult position. Keep religion out of the public schools. If parents want to instill religious beliefs in their children, that’s their right, but I won’t have my tax dollars supporting such an endeavor. Brian
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ed, I thought the joke was fine (and the bumper sticker was right on the mark, NR–Clinton is a monumental embarrassment to everyone, but some are too stupid to even realize it). Jack Keller, The Winemaking Home Page, http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/1172/ Before you buy. Amen!!!! And I can post that becasue I’m not in a school right now.. — Fine wine & a good woman, who needs anything more? Before you buy.
However, if I were in a school right now, I could wear a shirt depicting Satan and a band of demons devouring a virgin in the name of anarchy, that would be acceptible… but, if I were to say a prayer in the Lord’s name while wearing that shirt, well, that just wouldn’t be acceptible… And we wonder why our moral fabric is coming apart at the seams, Zinful — Fine wine & a good woman, who needs anything more? Before you buy.
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Totally acceptable, now didn’t that feel good?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I posted this a couple of years ago in response to someone looking for a good wine joke to tell at an event, but its a good one worth repeating: President Clinton, after returning from a G-8 summit in Paris, steps off of Air Force One with a case of La Tache in hand. An honor guard on the tarmac notices, and comments, "that’s some very nice wine, Mr. President!" "Thanks, I got it for Hillary," the President answers. To which the honor guard replies, "Good trade, Sir!" Salud, Martin J. Crane
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— From Trevor A Panther In South Yorkshire, England "Wine is a delight to all the senses" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saw an old quote the other day… Quoted without permission as I don’t remember where I saw it: "A proud nation of pioneers has become a land of whining plaintiffs" Dave
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I agree that it has gone too far. I had a rather lively argument (bordering on hostile at times) with a close friend a couple years ago. We were driving somewhere and a guy in front of us had a "If Bill Clinton was the answer it must have been a stupid question" bumper sticker. I thought it was hilarious myself, and just a bit too true for comfort. He thought it didn’t belong in public. I made the mistake of saying that it was funny and true, and freedom of speech was an important thing. He went a step to far for my taste and said there should be a federal law against rudeness. Needless to say, we argued for the next 5 hours about freedom of speech vs. dictatorship, and never did end up agreeing.
Then I would say your friend would perhaps be more comfortable living in Serbia, where recently fans at a soccer game were attacked by police for chanting anti-Slobodan messages. Obviously, free speech can not be unlimited. You do not have the freedom to incite a crowd into killing all the (choose favorite targets), or to shout "FIRE!" in a crowded hall. But a law against rudeness? When people say things like that, no matter how valid some of their points may be, all credibility just goes out the window. Did you ask him what he would have thought if the bumper sticker had said George W Bush, instead of Bill Clinton? Perhaps he’s just a knee-jerk Democrat. Anyway, as long as we’re into telling jokes, I have one that nearly made me piss myself when I heard it. YMMV. Nothing off-colour, other than perhaps being a tad stereotypical of the Irish. Two fellows are sitting at the bar, hoisting a few pints, when one looks over at the other and says, "I know your face." And the other fellow looks back and says, "Ya know, I was just thinking the same thing. Are you from around these parts?" "Lived here all my life." "Me, too. You must have gone to St Mary’s school, then." "That I did. Do you remember Sister Madeleine?" "Oh, indeed I do. My knuckles still have the scars from her steel ruler. But I don’t think that’s where I know ya from." So this goes on for a while, as the two fellows try to figure out where it is they know each other from. Another one of the regulars wanders in, and the bartender calls out, "Sean, come over to the bar. The entertainment’s just starting." "Oh, did you hire a band for tonight?", Sean asks. "No, the McGuire twins are drunk again." Cheers, Brian
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Ed, I thought the joke was fine (and the bumper sticker was right on the mark, NR–Clinton is a monumental embarrassment to everyone, but some are too stupid to even realize it). Jack Keller, The Winemaking Home Page, http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/1172/ Before you buy.
Amen!!!! And I can post that becasue I’m not in a school right now.. — Fine wine & a good woman, who needs anything more? Before you buy.
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<snip you can get away with sans lawsuit". Used to be that people could be decent to one another, and if someone upset you, you just didn’t hang around them anymore. Now you can sue someone for $10,000,000 for calling you a loser, as if the act crippled you for life. Nevermind the fact that if you sue someone for $10,000,000 for calling you a loser, you probably are one… I don’t have all the answers, or even a few, but I sure as all h**l know this lawsuit happy America ain’t it.
Saw an old quote the other day… Quoted without permission as I don’t remember where I saw it: "A proud nation of pioneers has become a land of whining plaintiffs" Dave
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few, but I sure as all h**l know this lawsuit happy America ain’t it.
^^^^ Thanks for being PC Gorak
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Ed, I thought the joke was fine (and the bumper sticker was right on the mark, NR–Clinton is a monumental embarrassment to everyone, but some are too stupid to even realize it). Jack Keller, The Winemaking Home Page, http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/1172/ Before you buy.
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I posted this a couple of years ago in response to someone looking for a good wine joke to tell at an event, but its a good one worth repeating: President Clinton, after returning from a G-8 summit in Paris, steps off of Air Force One with a case of La Tache in hand. An honor guard on the tarmac notices, and comments, "that’s some very nice wine, Mr. President!" "Thanks, I got it for Hillary," the President answers. To which the honor guard replies, "Good trade, Sir!" Salud, Martin J. Crane
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during thier allotted 5 minutes at Arecibo: If you tell off color, racial, gender etc jokes AT ALL then you are being judged as being Politically INcorrect. You see, when political correctness became the law of the land, common courtesy went out the door with the bathwater, we now legislate everything. just don’t call one a lady unless you have your guard up.
if (rant == 1) { I agree that it has gone too far. I had a rather lively argument (bordering on hostile at times) with a close friend a couple years ago. We were driving somewhere and a guy in front of us had a "If Bill Clinton was the answer it must have been a stupid question" bumper sticker. I thought it was hilarious myself, and just a bit too true for comfort. He thought it didn’t belong in public. I made the mistake of saying that it was funny and true, and freedom of speech was an important thing. He went a step to far for my taste and said there should be a federal law against rudeness. Needless to say, we argued for the next 5 hours about freedom of speech vs. dictatorship, and never did end up agreeing. It’s a sad thing to see that the idea of freedom is now "that which you can get away with sans lawsuit". Used to be that people could be decent to one another, and if someone upset you, you just didn’t hang around them anymore. Now you can sue someone for $10,000,000 for calling you a loser, as if the act crippled you for life. Nevermind the fact that if you sue someone for $10,000,000 for calling you a loser, you probably are one… I don’t have all the answers, or even a few, but I sure as all h**l know this lawsuit happy America ain’t it. Political correctness is just that; political, and politics have always involved power and corruption. Decency is an altogether different thing, whereby you temper your tongue because it’s just better for everyone that you do so. Political correctness serves the one, decency serves the many. I’m starting to sound like Spock now, guess I’ll quit here… Whew… }
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If you tell off color, racial, gender etc jokes AT ALL then you are being judged as being Politically INcorrect. You see, when political correctness became the law of the land, common courtesy went out the door with the bathwater, we now legislate everything. just don’t call one a lady unless you have your guard up. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I went to a Karoake bar last night, and was disappointed in one of the selections. The song in question contained multiple racial slurs and sexually explicit phrases, and I found it distasteful. Did I walk out, or voice a complaint? No, this was an adult bar, and everyone is quite capable of taking care of themselves. But it did lower my opinion of the individual who sang it. And again, it has nothing to do with PC, just common courtesy. I only tell off-color jokes to those I know can handle it. If I’m with people, or might be with people, who don’t like that kind of humor, I don’t tell those jokes. Courtesy. I find the PC attitude distasteful, but I don’t let that feeling lump courtesy in with a rabid intolerance of others (that’s political correctness). I can still be courteous to others. Matthew Initially I wanted to agree with you. But, political correctness has become such an (unwanted, undesirable) part of our society today I have noticed too many instances of people offering apologies and excuses prior to saying or doing things that just a few years ago would have been normal. No, I think that even in a semi-anonymous environment he feels it necessary to qualify all he says or does. And he’s very much afraid of upsetting his supposed peer group if any of them do not share his taste in humour. I disagree. Although I found the joke mildly humorous, if he felt he had to add a content warning then he should not have posted it in a public forum. This has nothing to do with political correctness, just basic politeness and courtesy. Matthew A. Givens Nice little joke. Seems a pity though that you have to apologise for it b4 you tell it. "Political Corretness" gone mad! "SchlossGoist" — From Trevor A Panther In South Yorkshire, England "Wine is a delight to all the senses" Hi All: Here is the best winemaking joke I have ever heard.
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Mama mia, thatsa spicya wine joka! Jim L.
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I went to a Karoake bar last night, and was disappointed in one of the selections. The song in question contained multiple racial slurs and sexually explicit phrases, and I found it distasteful. Did I walk out, or voice a complaint? No, this was an adult bar, and everyone is quite capable of taking care of themselves. But it did lower my opinion of the individual who sang it. And again, it has nothing to do with PC, just common courtesy. I only tell off-color jokes to those I know can handle it. If I’m with people, or might be with people, who don’t like that kind of humor, I don’t tell those jokes. Courtesy. I find the PC attitude distasteful, but I don’t let that feeling lump courtesy in with a rabid intolerance of others (that’s political correctness). I can still be courteous to others. Matthew – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Initially I wanted to agree with you. But, political correctness has become such an (unwanted, undesirable) part of our society today I have noticed too many instances of people offering apologies and excuses prior to saying or doing things that just a few years ago would have been normal. No, I think that even in a semi-anonymous environment he feels it necessary to qualify all he says or does. And he’s very much afraid of upsetting his supposed peer group if any of them do not share his taste in humour. I disagree. Although I found the joke mildly humorous, if he felt he had to add a content warning then he should not have posted it in a public forum. This has nothing to do with political correctness, just basic politeness and courtesy. Matthew A. Givens Nice little joke. Seems a pity though that you have to apologise for it b4 you tell it. "Political Corretness" gone mad! "SchlossGoist" — From Trevor A Panther In South Yorkshire, England "Wine is a delight to all the senses" Hi All: Here is the best winemaking joke I have ever heard.
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Initially I wanted to agree with you. But, political correctness has become such an (unwanted, undesirable) part of our society today I have noticed too many instances of people offering apologies and excuses prior to saying or doing things that just a few years ago would have been normal. No, I think that even in a semi-anonymous environment he feels it necessary to qualify all he says or does. And he’s very much afraid of upsetting his supposed peer group if any of them do not share his taste in humour. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I disagree. Although I found the joke mildly humorous, if he felt he had to add a content warning then he should not have posted it in a public forum. This has nothing to do with political correctness, just basic politeness and courtesy. Matthew A. Givens Nice little joke. Seems a pity though that you have to apologise for it b4 you tell it. "Political Corretness" gone mad! "SchlossGoist" — From Trevor A Panther In South Yorkshire, England "Wine is a delight to all the senses" Hi All: Here is the best winemaking joke I have ever heard.
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I disagree. Although I found the joke mildly humorous, if he felt he had to add a content warning then he should not have posted it in a public forum. This has nothing to do with political correctness, just basic politeness and courtesy. Matthew A. Givens – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nice little joke. Seems a pity though that you have to apologise for it b4 you tell it. "Political Corretness" gone mad! "SchlossGoist" — From Trevor A Panther In South Yorkshire, England "Wine is a delight to all the senses" Hi All: Here is the best winemaking joke I have ever heard.
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Nice little joke. Seems a pity though that you have to apologise for it b4 you tell it. "Political Corretness" gone mad! "SchlossGoist" — From Trevor A Panther In South Yorkshire, England "Wine is a delight to all the senses"
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All: Here is the best winemaking joke I have ever heard.
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Hi All: Here is the best winemaking joke I have ever heard. First, some warnings… WARNING: THE FOLLOWING JOKE IS SOMEWHAT OFF-COLOR & MAY OFFEND PARTIES WHO ARE SENSITIVE TO JOKES WHICH INCLUDE SLIGHT SEXUAL INNUENDO. ADDITIONALLY, ALTHOUGH THE JOKE IS IN NO WAY MEANT TO BE ETHNIC IN NATURE, THOSE WHO ARE SENSITIVE TO HUMOR WITH AN ETHNIC BENT MAY BE OFFENDED BY THE FOLLOWING JOKE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO READ THE JOKE PLEASE SCROLL DOWN. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THIS IS A FINAL WARNING: THE FOLLOWING JOKE IS SOMEWHAT OFF COLOR. PLEASE DO NOT READ IT IF YOU ARE EITHER UNDER 18 YEARS OF AGE, OR YOU ARE SENSITIVE TO HUMOR OF THIS TYPE. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Here goes: An Italian-American home winegrower was slaving away in his somewhat unsuccessful vineyard one day, when he found what looked like an ancient bottle of Chianti. As he wiped the bottle in an effort to get a better look at the label, the old cork flew off & a genie popped out of the bottle! "I am a wine genie, said the phantom before him, I can grant you just one wish". Glancing at the bottle in his hands, and then at his ailing vines, the winegrower immediately said, "I wish that I could make a wine as good as the best Chianti Classico Reserva in the world!" The Genie said, "Excellent wish!", snapped his fingers, and said, "now you will make wine as good as any Chianti in the world!". The winegrower looked around, expecting to see his sickly vines transformed into noble, venerable, Sangiovese vines. Much to his surprise, it appeared as if nothing had changed. With a look of surprise, he asked the genie, "how am I supposed to make great wine from these-a sick-a vines?!" The genie, smiling, told the winegrower that from now on he would need no vines. The genie told him that from now on, every time he urinated, his urine would be the finest Chianti Classico wine. In disbelief, the winegrower ran into his work shed & filled a wine glass with his now crimson urine. To his amazement, it was the best wine he had ever tasted. Quickly he ran into the house & told his doubtful wife of his encounter with the genie. Finally, to prove his tale, he produced for her a glass of his wonderful wine. The wife was in amazed disbelief…This was the finest wine she had ever tasted. For the next several days, each night at diner time, after his wife had placed a wonderful pasta dish on the table, Luigi would emerge from the bathroom with two large glasses of his wonderful Chianti. All was wonderful. After about two weeks of this wine splendor, Luigi appeared one night at the table with only 1 glass of wine & quietly set it down in front of himself. Shockingly, his wife asked, "Luigi: where is _my_ glass of wine?!" Luigi responded with a smile…"No mora glasses a wine fo you…Froma now on, you gotta drinka froma da bottle!" Salut!: Ed The Viticulture FAQ & Glossary: http://www.itsmysite.com/vitfaq "Wine is the High Priest for the Uncommon Nuptials between the Body & Soul of Men". -George Meredith, British Author Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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