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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – what is a good place to purchae marbles in US? — Jenya Computers are useless. They can only give answers.-Pablo Picasso The marbles work great on small batches — I use them routinely with 4 liter jugs; haven’t tried them with 5- or 6-gal carboys. bit about the process. The most innovative thing I read was to get some glass marbles and use them to take up the available space instead of topping up with anything else. Joe I had this idea while reading Rick Vanderwal’s comment below where he wanted to top up and sweeten but did not have saved juice.  Typically I see two approaches here.  Use some saved juice or add sugar water.  What about using other fruit concentrate.  If you did not mind adding a little cherry or blackberry character to the wine, what about using a bit of fruit concentrate, even store bought concentrated fruit juice.  It would probably have sorbate already in it which would not hurt anything and may be a help at this point. Of course you would want to avoid concentrates with artificial flavors. Comments? Ray

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I think that’s an excellent idea, but I imagine it could add some stubborn cloudiness if added post-fermentation. Depends on the clarity of the concentrate I suppose. I might be trying this very thing upcoming, as I will be bottling a batch in a few days and I want it to be a lightly sweet wine. I always sweeten by adding a cup of water to to a cup and a half of sugar in a glass measuring cup, and microwave it for just over two minutes on high. It *just* comes to a boil, and is a nice, clear, sort of vaguely amberish syrup when stirred well. I then add enough of this syrup to the batch to make it *almost* to my tastes, fill a few bottles, then sweeten right to my tastes, and fill the rest. Maybe this time what I will do is add some undiluted concentrate to a glassful and observe it’s clarity. If it looks good, and tastes good, I likely will do the whole batch that way. Note I will be using grape concentrate, but I think there’s potential there to use a myriad of fruit types for special characters. One could even steep fresh fruit pieces in the wine say overnight or for a couple of days. The nice thing is that since fermentation is already well past, the flavor of whatever you’d add would only be influenced by the other characters already present, rather than possibly being heavily altered by the fermentation process. Maybe rather similar to the method of the homemade schnapps recipes one finds on the web using fruit steeped in vodka, just obviously not as "quick and dirty".  - NR reportedly seen on the White House lawn holding a large picket sign and screeching the following: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I had this idea while reading Rick Vanderwal’s comment below where he wanted to top up and sweeten but did not have saved juice.  Typically I see two approaches here.  Use some saved juice or add sugar water.  What about using other fruit concentrate.  If you did not mind adding a little cherry or blackberry character to the wine, what about using a bit of fruit concentrate, even store bought concentrated fruit juice.  It would probably have sorbate already in it which would not hurt anything and may be a help at this point. Of course you would want to avoid concentrates with artificial flavors. Comments? Ray

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Thanks everybody for the comments.  I think I sent a confused signal.  I was really interested in the idea of using fruit juice to sweeten rather than saving back some of the original juice the wine was made from.  My use of the term "topping up" was not the proper term and misled many.  Sorry. Anyway, all the comments were interesting. Ray

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The marbles work great on small batches — I use them routinely with 4 liter jugs; haven’t tried them with 5- or 6-gal carboys.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – bit about the process. The most innovative thing I read was to get some glass marbles and use them to take up the available space instead of topping up with anything else. Joe I had this idea while reading Rick Vanderwal’s comment below where he wanted to top up and sweeten but did not have saved juice.  Typically I see two approaches here.  Use some saved juice or add sugar water.  What about using other fruit concentrate.  If you did not mind adding a little cherry or blackberry character to the wine, what about using a bit of fruit concentrate, even store bought concentrated fruit juice.  It would probably have sorbate already in it which would not hurt anything and may be a help at this point. Of course you would want to avoid concentrates with artificial flavors. Comments? Ray

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what is a good place to purchae marbles in US? — Jenya Computers are useless. They can only give answers.-Pablo Picasso

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The marbles work great on small batches — I use them routinely with 4 liter jugs; haven’t tried them with 5- or 6-gal carboys. bit about the process. The most innovative thing I read was to get some glass marbles and use them to take up the available space instead of topping up with anything else. Joe I had this idea while reading Rick Vanderwal’s comment below where he wanted to top up and sweeten but did not have saved juice.  Typically I see two approaches here.  Use some saved juice or add sugar water.  What about using other fruit concentrate.  If you did not mind adding a little cherry or blackberry character to the wine, what about using a bit of fruit concentrate, even store bought concentrated fruit juice.  It would probably have sorbate already in it which would not hurt anything and may be a help at this point. Of course you would want to avoid concentrates with artificial flavors. Comments? Ray

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I have been preparing to try wine making and have been reading quite a bit about the process. The most innovative thing I read was to get some glass marbles and use them to take up the available space instead of topping up with anything else. Joe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had this idea while reading Rick Vanderwal’s comment below where he wanted to top up and sweeten but did not have saved juice.  Typically I see two approaches here.  Use some saved juice or add sugar water.  What about using other fruit concentrate.  If you did not mind adding a little cherry or blackberry character to the wine, what about using a bit of fruit concentrate, even store bought concentrated fruit juice.  It would probably have sorbate already in it which would not hurt anything and may be a help at this point. Of course you would want to avoid concentrates with artificial flavors. Comments? Ray

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One should always tope up after racking. If one topes up before racking, one may become inebriated, and handling large, heavy glass containers in that condition is very unsafe!  :-) Send email to jsachs177 at earthlink dot net.

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Thank you for that bit of wisdom.  It probably will not protect me from inebriation but maybe it will protect me from a bad back. Ray

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One should always tope up after racking. If one topes up before racking, one may become inebriated, and handling large, heavy glass containers in that condition is very unsafe!  :-) Send email to jsachs177 at earthlink dot net.

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I had this idea while reading Rick Vanderwal’s comment below where he wanted to top up and sweeten but did not have saved juice.  Typically I see two approaches here.  Use some saved juice or add sugar water.  What about using other fruit concentrate.  If you did not mind adding a little cherry or blackberry character to the wine, what about using a bit of fruit concentrate, even store bought concentrated fruit juice.  It would probably have sorbate already in it which would not hurt anything and may be a help at this point. Of course you would want to avoid concentrates with artificial flavors. Comments? Ray

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I was shopping at Costco yesterday, had one of their lovely half-gallon cartons of Heavy Whipping Cream in my basket.  A young woman who was giving out samples of something saw it and said "I never saw whipped cream in a carton, how do they do that?"  I had to explain to her that this was not whipped, that you had to do that yourself and that there were other uses for heavy cream.

|| | Last Christmas, my niece (a different one– nine years old, certified | "chem whip" junkie) wanted to help with the desserts, so I had her | make some whippred cream.  I gave her a carton of heavy cream, my | mixer and a bowl, showed her how to work it, and left her to work.  A | little while later she went running up to her mother (wearing little | flecks of cream on her cheeks — she’d been sampling) saying "Em has | this great mix for making your own whipped cream!  All the | ingredients are all in one box — you don’t even have to add | anything!"  Cracked me up. | | Em

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says… I was shopping at Costco yesterday, had one of their lovely half-gallon cartons of Heavy Whipping Cream in my basket.  A young woman who was giving out samples of something saw it and said "I never saw whipped cream in a carton, how do they do that?"  I had to explain to her that this was not whipped, that you had to do that yourself and that there were other uses for heavy cream.

Oh, that’s just SAD — Saffire 205/183/125 Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo:  http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

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Another great use for mascarpone is for making truffles: this recipe has been posted in this NG several times using cream cheese, but Ilike it much better with mascarpone: 3 Tbsp mascarpone   2 tsp unsweetened cocoa powder 1/2 packet or 1 tsp. Splenda Smush together with a spoon till completely blended.  Roll the mixture into 4 small balls and then roll them into additional cocoa and refrigerate. Em

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Does anyone else have wonderful ideas? Martha, Mascarpone is very easy to make. The recipe contains tartaric acid, which I found locally at a wine making shop. You can also get it online.

Some makers use citric acid. A quart of 25% cream and a tablespoon of white wine vinegar or lemon juice will do it, too. It can also be made by culturing cream with the cultures in American commercial buttermilk. Curdle and drain. Pastorio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mascarpone Cheese Makes 2 cups 1 qt heavy cream 1/2 tsp tartaric acid (*not* cream of tartar) Heat the cream to 180 F, stirring a bit. Remove from the heat, and add the tartaric acid. The cream will start to form curds. Transfer the curds to a coffee filter lined strainer and allow to drain for 1 to 2 days. The cheese will keep refrigerated for up to 1 week.

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Does anyone else have wonderful ideas? Mascarpone is very easy to make. The recipe contains tartaric acid, which I found locally at a wine making shop. You can also get it online. Some makers use citric acid. A quart of 25% cream and a tablespoon of white wine vinegar or lemon juice will do it, too. It can also be made by culturing cream with the cultures in American commercial buttermilk. Curdle and drain.

Cool. That explains why the stuff I get from the farmers’ market tastes different from the brands available at Whole Foods. I’ll have to try it the next time I’m fooling around in the kitchen. The pumpkin pie was reasonably successful. I made a crust of 1 C Almond Meal 3 Tbs Melted Butter 1 Tbs splenda Spackled it into individual serving pie tins (it doesn’t stick together like regular pie crusts), baked at 400 F for about 10 minutes and cooled in the freezer. Then I made a mix of .5 C Canned Pumpkin .25 C Mascarpone Lots of Pumpkin Pie spice 2 Tbs Splenda Filled the pie crusts (I’d only made 2, but I didn’t use all the pie crust mix) Baked at 350 F for not long enough. I ate the first one still warm. I remembered I don’t actually *like* pumpkin pie. Notwithstanding, it was pretty good. I did think there was a bit of a splenda aftertaste. But that went away after the first few bites. I had the second one this morning. Nice breakfast. I’ll have to try them out on some test subjects who do like PP and see how they rate it. Later, Martha – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mascarpone Cheese Makes 2 cups 1 qt heavy cream 1/2 tsp tartaric acid (*not* cream of tartar) Heat the cream to 180 F, stirring a bit. Remove from the heat, and add the tartaric acid. The cream will start to form curds. Transfer the curds to a coffee filter lined strainer and allow to drain for 1 to 2 days. The cheese will keep refrigerated for up to 1 week.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just found this as I was perusing the Bella Vita website and it sounds yummy: Low Carb Penne Rigate Carbonara 1/2 lb Bacon 8 tbsp Olive Oil, Extra Virgin 1 cup chopped Shallots 1 cup chopped Parsley, Fresh Italian 16 oz Marscapone Cheese 6 beaten Egg Yolk(s) 2 cups Parmesan Cheese, Grated Pepper, fresh ground to taste 1 box Penne Rigate, Low Carb Saute bacon until crisp. Transfer to a paper towel to drain. Add chopped shallots to the pan, cooking until softened. Take the remaining ingredients and mix together with bacon (crumbled) and shallots in a bowl. Stir to thicken. Pour over cooked and drained Bella Vita low carb penne rigate pasta.

That does sound heavenly. Perfect for a cold, grey winter’s night. I’d probably have it over sauted zucchini or something similar. But that one is definitely a keeper. Thanks, Martha – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – restarted LC 11/10/03 241/231.5/160 originally started LC 6/1/01 246/218/160 fell off LC wagon 4/02 A seasonally appropriate idea I’m playing with is mixing it with pumpkin pie filling (I got one with no sugar added) and baking it into a almond meal pie crust. I’ll try that tonight. Does anyone else have wonderful ideas?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone else have wonderful ideas? Mascarpone is very easy to make. The recipe contains tartaric acid, which I found locally at a wine making shop. You can also get it online. Mascarpone Cheese Makes 2 cups 1 qt heavy cream 1/2 tsp tartaric acid (*not* cream of tartar) Heat the cream to 180 F, stirring a bit. Remove from the heat, and add the tartaric acid. The cream will start to form curds. Transfer the curds to a coffee filter lined strainer and allow to drain for 1 to 2 days. The cheese will keep refrigerated for up to 1 week.

Thanks. I know the town where I’ll be spending Turkey day has a wine and beer supplies store (I’m sure the one I live in does, too, but I don’t know where), so I’ll pick up some and have some fun in the kitchen. Martha — Begin where you are – but don’t end there.

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I make quick & easy mousse with mascarpone once every two weeks.  It’s become a ritual with my five-year-old niece, who spends the day here every other Saturday.   We don’t exactly measure, but the method is this:

When I see my oldest nephew, we always make muffins. We got into the habit to use the blueberries we’d pick from the bushes at my parents house, but later we graduated to apples, and bananas and probably some other things as well. Of course, Auntie Martha no longer eats them, but it’s still what we do. Whip about a cup of heavy cream until stiff peaks form. In a separate bowl, blend about four ounces of mascarpone with a couple of tablespoons davinci syrup (any flavor).  Add more syrup if flavor is weak; add a bit of xanthan gum if result is too runny. Fold whipped cream into cheese mixture.  Enjoy.

Oh, how could you not? I’d been having it with some syrup mixed in, which is pretty good in itself but I think this would be much better. For some reason, this has also made me think that it might be interesting to take Bob Pastorio’s Bleu Cheese salad dressing recipe and sub the mascarpone for the whipped cream. I can’t decide whether it would be too rich or quite simply decadent. But, in the interests of science, I’m willing to try it out. We’ve made it with chocolate, orange, peppermint, raspberry, strawberry, gingerbread, and other davinci syrups.  I think that the peppermint and the orange are her favorites.  The chocolate was mine, but I also added some melted unsweetened Scharffen Berger 99% chocolate to it.  That one had a very "adult" flavor to it.  It was very rich and delicious. Another thing to do with it: if for some reason you really like the flavor of Cool Whip rather than plain whipped cream, you can blend some mascarpone with vanilla davinci, and mix it into whipped cream.  Tastes very much like cool whip.  (use less mascarpone than is used for the mousse — maybe 2 ounces per cup of cream?)

Not for me. But this might be a good way to entice a youngster away from the "chem whip" Great ideas, Thanks Martha — Begin where you are – but don’t end there. http://www.geocities.com/taupewhidbey/dietprogress.html

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Another great use for mascarpone is for making truffles: this recipe has been posted in this NG several times using cream cheese, but Ilike it much better with mascarpone: 3 Tbsp mascarpone   2 tsp unsweetened cocoa powder 1/2 packet or 1 tsp. Splenda Smush together with a spoon till completely blended.  Roll the mixture into 4 small balls and then roll them into additional cocoa and refrigerate.

So far all the cocoa powders I’ve tried have been too bitter. But, clearly the time has come to put in an order w/ Penzey’s and see how their dutched chocolate is. Thanks, Martha — Begin where you are – but don’t end there.

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So far all the cocoa powders I’ve tried have been too bitter. But, clearly the time has come to put in an order w/ Penzey’s and see how their dutched chocolate is. Thanks, Martha

I use Droste (available at Trader Joes and Whole Foods).  It’s very good; also makes excellent hot chocolate. On the suggestion from someone in this ng, I tried Bensdorp cocoa (from the Simpson & Vail website), but I didn’t like it as much as the Droste.  I have been wanting to try the Penzey’s, though. I love cocoa. Em

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Another thing to do with it: if for some reason you really like the flavor of Cool Whip rather than plain whipped cream, you can blend some mascarpone with vanilla davinci, and mix it into whipped cream.  Tastes very much like cool whip.  (use less mascarpone than is used for the mousse — maybe 2 ounces per cup of cream?) Not for me. But this might be a good way to entice a youngster away from the "chem whip"

Last Christmas, my niece (a different one– nine years old, certified "chem whip" junkie) wanted to help with the desserts, so I had her make some whippred cream.  I gave her a carton of heavy cream, my mixer and a bowl, showed her how to work it, and left her to work.  A little while later she went running up to her mother (wearing little flecks of cream on her cheeks — she’d been sampling) saying "Em has this great mix for making your own whipped cream!  All the ingredients are all in one box — you don’t even have to add anything!"  Cracked me up. Em

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One of the dairy vendors at the farmers’ market I frequent (Sunday mornings at Dupont Circle – the Q St. Metro entrance) makes a mascarpone that’s a religious experience. I’ve tried a few of the varieties that are available at Whole Foods and they’re pale simulacra by comparison. (It could be that I just like this best ’cause it’s the first mascarpone I remember having so it’s my default for what mascarpone should taste like, but I think not.) Anyway, he stops making it at the end of the summer, because he thinks people mostly eat it with fresh fruits and especially berries and so they won’t buy enough to make it worth making. The people who mind the booth for him have pressured him into making it available in the winter again, and I’d like to give them a bunch of suggestions for other great things to do with this. I think it would be even cooler if I could present them as being suitable for the trendy low carb diet. A seasonally appropriate idea I’m playing with is mixing it with pumpkin pie filling (I got one with no sugar added) and baking it into a almond meal pie crust. I’ll try that tonight. Does anyone else have wonderful ideas? Martha — Begin where you are – but don’t end there. I really only wrote the above post so that I could casually slip in that there’s a new pic on my page at http://www.geocities.com/taupewhidbey/dietprogress.html and that the Evan Picone dress that I got on ebay for $20 is a size 8 but would probably have been a size 12 when my mother was a size 8.

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Just found this as I was perusing the Bella Vita website and it sounds yummy: Low Carb Penne Rigate Carbonara 1/2 lb Bacon 8 tbsp Olive Oil, Extra Virgin 1 cup chopped Shallots 1 cup chopped Parsley, Fresh Italian 16 oz Marscapone Cheese 6 beaten Egg Yolk(s) 2 cups Parmesan Cheese, Grated Pepper, fresh ground to taste 1 box Penne Rigate, Low Carb Saute bacon until crisp. Transfer to a paper towel to drain. Add chopped shallots to the pan, cooking until softened. Take the remaining ingredients and mix together with bacon (crumbled) and shallots in a bowl. Stir to thicken. Pour over cooked and drained Bella Vita low carb penne rigate pasta. restarted LC 11/10/03 241/231.5/160 originally started LC 6/1/01 246/218/160 fell off LC wagon 4/02

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A seasonally appropriate idea I’m playing with is mixing it with pumpkin pie filling (I got one with no sugar added) and baking it into a almond meal pie crust. I’ll try that tonight. Does anyone else have wonderful ideas?

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Does anyone else have wonderful ideas?

Martha, Mascarpone is very easy to make. The recipe contains tartaric acid, which I found locally at a wine making shop. You can also get it online. Mascarpone Cheese Makes 2 cups 1 qt heavy cream 1/2 tsp tartaric acid (*not* cream of tartar) Heat the cream to 180 F, stirring a bit. Remove from the heat, and add the tartaric acid. The cream will start to form curds. Transfer the curds to a coffee filter lined strainer and allow to drain for 1 to 2 days. The cheese will keep refrigerated for up to 1 week. — Reg        email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just found this as I was perusing the Bella Vita website and it sounds yummy: Low Carb Penne Rigate Carbonara 1/2 lb Bacon 8 tbsp Olive Oil, Extra Virgin 1 cup chopped Shallots 1 cup chopped Parsley, Fresh Italian 16 oz Marscapone Cheese 6 beaten Egg Yolk(s) 2 cups Parmesan Cheese, Grated Pepper, fresh ground to taste 1 box Penne Rigate, Low Carb Saute bacon until crisp. Transfer to a paper towel to drain. Add chopped shallots to the pan, cooking until softened. Take the remaining ingredients and mix together with bacon (crumbled) and shallots in a bowl. Stir to thicken. Pour over cooked and drained Bella Vita low carb penne rigate pasta.

This looks yummy, but I have to say that even though I am not — Jean B.

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I make quick & easy mousse with mascarpone once every two weeks.  It’s become a ritual with my five-year-old niece, who spends the day here every other Saturday.   We don’t exactly measure, but the method is this: Whip about a cup of heavy cream until stiff peaks form. In a separate bowl, blend about four ounces of mascarpone with a couple of tablespoons davinci syrup (any flavor).  Add more syrup if flavor is weak; add a bit of xanthan gum if result is too runny. Fold whipped cream into cheese mixture.  Enjoy. We’ve made it with chocolate, orange, peppermint, raspberry, strawberry, gingerbread, and other davinci syrups.  I think that the peppermint and the orange are her favorites.  The chocolate was mine, but I also added some melted unsweetened Scharffen Berger 99% chocolate to it.  That one had a very "adult" flavor to it.  It was very rich and delicious. Another thing to do with it: if for some reason you really like the flavor of Cool Whip rather than plain whipped cream, you can blend some mascarpone with vanilla davinci, and mix it into whipped cream.  Tastes very much like cool whip.  (use less mascarpone than is used for the mousse — maybe 2 ounces per cup of cream?) Em

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What did your Dr say about it? You might want to read about fermenting and putrification. Stan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have had chronic abdominal pain for at least three years. I had my gall bladder removed two years ago, and the doctor found tons of gall stones. I had my appendix removed last year because they went in to "explore" what else could be causing my pain. Here’s my symptoms: As soon as I finish eating – or sometimes even while I’m still eating – I have a horrible stomach cramp and have to go to the bathroom. The pain usually lasts for several hours and forces me to leave work sometimes. It doesn’t matter what I eat – spicy or bland, lean or greasy – it happens every time I eat. What do you think my problem is???

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wine making??? jeff

What did your Dr say about it? You might want to read about fermenting and putrification. Stan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have had chronic abdominal pain for at least three years. I had my gall bladder removed two years ago, and the doctor found tons of gall stones. I had my appendix removed last year because they went in to "explore" what else could be causing my pain. Here’s my symptoms: As soon as I finish eating – or sometimes even while I’m still eating – I have a horrible stomach cramp and have to go to the bathroom. The pain usually lasts for several hours and forces me to leave work sometimes. It doesn’t matter what I eat – spicy or bland, lean or greasy – it happens every time I eat. What do you think my problem is???

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ibd.  i had same, docs thought i had ibs.  got treated for that, didn’t work.  dang near killed me.  had ct scan, colonoscopy and smbft and they found the cd. jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have had chronic abdominal pain for at least three years. I had my gall bladder removed two years ago, and the doctor found tons of gall stones. I had my appendix removed last year because they went in to "explore" what else could be causing my pain. Here’s my symptoms: As soon as I finish eating – or sometimes even while I’m still eating – I have a horrible stomach cramp and have to go to the bathroom. The pain usually lasts for several hours and forces me to leave work sometimes. It doesn’t matter what I eat – spicy or bland, lean or greasy – it happens every time I eat. What do you think my problem is???

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I have had chronic abdominal pain for at least three years. I had my gall bladder removed two years ago, and the doctor found tons of gall stones. I had my appendix removed last year because they went in to "explore" what else could be causing my pain. Here’s my symptoms: As soon as I finish eating – or sometimes even while I’m still eating – I have a horrible stomach cramp and have to go to the bathroom. The pain usually lasts for several hours and forces me to leave work sometimes. It doesn’t matter what I eat – spicy or bland, lean or greasy – it happens every time I eat. What do you think my problem is???

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I see you refuse to study. It figures. **  But of course.  Whatever is downloaded into the brain before the 7th birthday sticks like superglue.  This why James’. the younger brother of Yeshua/Jesus, ossuary was labeled a fake that was created by enemies of the Virgin Mary and God’s Holy Church.  This is also why God’s Holy Church has no interest whatsoever in publishing the singed 23-page book the same James wrote that was recovered from the ashes of the original Library of Alexandria and stored in a crypt until it was dug up 1559 years later in 1950.

Why, whatever are you trying to say here, rl? Why don’t you help cb find where in the bible it says that Mary had other children. duke, American-American ***** 2Cor 5:10 – For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. *****

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I see you refuse to study. It figures. **  But of course.  Whatever is downloaded into the brain before the 7th birthday sticks like superglue.  This why James’. the younger brother of Yeshua/Jesus, ossuary was labeled a fake that was created by enemies of the Virgin Mary and God’s Holy Church.  This is also why God’s Holy Church has no interest whatsoever in publishing the singed 23-page book the same James wrote that was recovered from the ashes of the original Library of Alexandria and stored in a crypt until it was dug up 1559 years later in 1950. Why, whatever are you trying to say here, rl?

**  that the Church has secrets dark and deep which might cause a True Believer to weep. Why don’t you help cb find where in the bible it says that Mary had other children.

**  both scriptures that mention his family have been quoted here.  The laugher is that many RC scholars acknowledge that there are separate words in Aramaic for cousin. brother in faith, and brother/sibling, and some are beginning to doubt the Bull. — Rich, 805-386-3734, www.vcnet.com/measures, remove ^ from adr.

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**  But of course.  Whatever is downloaded into the brain before the 7th birthday sticks like superglue.  This why James’. the younger brother of Yeshua/Jesus, ossuary was labeled a fake that was created by enemies of the Virgin Mary and God’s Holy Church.  This is also why God’s Holy Church has no interest whatsoever in publishing the singed 23-page book the same James wrote that was recovered from the ashes of the original Library of Alexandria and stored in a crypt until it was dug up 1559 years later in 1950. Why, whatever are you trying to say here, rl? **  that the Church has secrets dark and deep which might cause a True Believer to weep.

Why don’t you help cb find where in the bible it says that Mary had other children. **  both scriptures that mention his family have been quoted here.  The laugher is that many RC scholars acknowledge that there are separate words in Aramaic for cousin. brother in faith, and brother/sibling, and some are beginning to doubt the Bull.

Hey, were those Aramaic words in use 2000 years ago?  Those same scholars say "no".   An interesting statement by a local priest of very high reputation – why do all those people get so worked up about whether Mary remained a virgin after the birth of Christ?  It’s certainly not meaningful to Christianity.   After all, and from the meaningful position, it’s clear that she "knew not man" before which confirms the conception of Jesus born of a woman and as an act of God.   Your turn. duke, American-American ***** 2Cor 5:10 – For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. *****

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<<Also, the idea that these brothers and sisters are from one of Joe Carpenter’s previous marriages is not supported by the NT.   But it is not denied by scripture, either.  

**  good point.  Nor do the Holy Scriptures deny that Jesus rode an Arabian horse because asses were just too damn slow to escape from the Pharisees who were after his ass. Another possible scenario is that St. Joe has died, and Mary and Jesus have been staying with one of Joseph’s brothers, who has a wife named Mary and whose children are those listed.  

**  So Matt 13 is wrong about the they being still with us part? If Joseph had died not long after the finding of Jesus in the temple, then Jesus would have grown up in that other family and the neighbors would have identified them as ‘brothers and sisters.’  In reality, they would be cousins.

**  the morning stretch Notice they never call Jesus, "Joseph’s son", which would be common if they knew his father (Simon was bar Jonah; in most cases if the father is known his name is given).  They referred to him instead as "the carpenter" or "the carpenter’s son" (Mark and Matthew give different titles).  It does not sound like Joseph is in the picture anymore.

**  not quite plausible.  Maybe – just maybe – God, in his great Wisdom and Mercy –  gave Mary a normal Grafenberg Spot plus a normal clitoris and Mary enjoyed not only her additional 4 sons and ?daughters, but she also enjoyed doin’ It because she had normal orgasms? — Rich, 805-386-3734, www.vcnet.com/measures, remove ^ from adr.

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So what.  Last born isn’t a generally used term. First born is… doesn’t definitively prove there were others born. Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Still Only $9.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com       <<<<<<<   The Worlds Uncensored News Source   <<<<<<<<

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – if i come first in a race somebody must have come second. the point is jesus was a first born, therefore mary must have had at least one more child. Nope…  flawed conclusion.  Whether there were other children or not … firstborn is still the first one born follow your own logic for once. No where in the Bible does it say Jesus was the last born. Similarly the Bible does not state that Mary bore other children. **  Matt 13:54 … does.

53 And when Jesus had finished these parables, he went away from there, 54 and coming to his own country he taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished, and said, "Where did this man get this wisdom and these mighty works? 55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? ok here’s the verse in context.  Where is the line about Mary bearing other children?  As an exercise for the student name 2 ways you can have a brother without being related to them by blood.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – if i come first in a race somebody must have come second. the point is jesus was a first born, therefore mary must have had at least one more child. Nope…  flawed conclusion.  Whether there were other children or not … firstborn is still the first one born follow your own logic for once. No where in the Bible does it say Jesus was the last born. Similarly the Bible does not state that Mary bore other children. **  Matt 13:54 … does. 53 And when Jesus had finished these parables, he went away from there, 54 and coming to his own country he taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished, and said, "Where did this man get this wisdom and these mighty works? 55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? ok here’s the verse in context.  

**  You understandably left out the part about his sisters at Matt 13:56. The reason is apparently that the reference to Jesus’ sisters discredits the idea that the 13.55 is about brothers-in-faith — so "sisters" implies that the quote is about siblings — which would cast hellish doubt on Mary’s perpetual virginity.  The argument that the Aramaic word for brother/sibling and the Aramaic word for cousin are the same is quickly disproven by an Aramaic/English dictionary.  Also, the idea that these brothers and sisters are from one of Joe Carpenter’s previous marriages is not supported by the NT.   Where is the line about Mary bearing other children?  As an exercise for the student name 2 ways you can have a brother without being related to them by blood.

**  brother in law, brother in faith, abd ”oh, brother” pretty much describes the ends that defenders of mariology employ. — Rich, 805-386-3734, www.vcnet.com/measures, remove ^ from adr.

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if i come first in a race somebody must have come second. the point is jesus was a first born, therefore mary must have had at least one more child.

Wrong, dead wrong.  When one is declared first-born, there is no requirement that there be others.  Birth is not a race. And the bible never says that she had other children. duke, American-American ***** 2Cor 5:10 – For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. *****

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http://www.bible.ca/cath-mary-had-many-children.htm No wheres in the bible does the bible say "Mary had other children". No wheres. I see you refuse to study. It figures.

Then why don’t you show us all where it says otherwise. duke, American-American ***** 2Cor 5:10 – For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. *****

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<< **  Matt 13:54 … does. 53 And when Jesus had finished these parables, he went away from there, 54 and coming to his own country he taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished, and said, "Where did this man get this wisdom and these mighty works? 55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? But the mother of James and Joseph is a DIFFERENT Mary!  See Matt 27:56 and Mark 15:40.   The gist of the above verse then is that they knew SOMETHING about Jesus, but not the whole truth.  

**  But God’s Holy Church knows the truth, of course.  The whole truth was that the "holy" men were doing unholy things to children was a well kept secret for many years.   Yes, he’s the carpenter’s son, but he’s much more.  Yes, his mother is named Mary, but they’ve got incomplete information even about his human roots.  The people rejected Jesus, they jumped to conclusions with inadequate information,

**  Some did.  Some did not.  He predicted that false teachers and false prophets would come along in sheep costumes after his death,  The powers-that-be of God’s Holy Church’s carry a shepherd’s staff, yet some knowingly sent forth chicken hawks to Prey on the young. they made up their minds without a fair hearing.  Even though he had performed miracles, "they took offense at him."

**  Religious hypocrites/con artists do not relish criticism.  Also, his wine-making ability was no doubt a serious economic threat to the alchoholic beverage industry in Judea. Notice that all the detail information that is claimed to support that Jesus had brothers and sisters comes from witnesses who rejected Jesus!  Jesus never talks about his brothers and sisters; nor do the apostles.

**  … so Mary and Jesus’ brothers really and truly never came to one of Jesus’ lectures? –  Editorial — The RCC’s perpetual Virgin story probably served to reduce the unwanted pregnancy rate before effective contraceptives were invented in the 20th century. — Rich, 805-386-3734, www.vcnet.com/measures, remove ^ from adr.

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<< **  Matt 13:54 … does. 53 And when Jesus had finished these parables, he went away from there, 54 and coming to his own country he taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished, and said, "Where did this man get this wisdom and these mighty works? 55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? But the mother of James and Joseph is a DIFFERENT Mary!  See Matt 27:56 and Mark 15:40.   The gist of the above verse then is that they knew SOMETHING about Jesus, but not the whole truth.  Yes, he’s the carpenter’s son, but he’s much more.  Yes, his mother is named Mary, but they’ve got incomplete information even about his human roots.  The people rejected Jesus, they jumped to conclusions with inadequate information, they made up their minds without a fair hearing.  Even though he had performed miracles, "they took offense at him." Notice that all the detail information that is claimed to support that Jesus had brothers and sisters comes from witnesses who rejected Jesus!  Jesus never talks about his brothers and sisters; nor do the apostles.

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<<Also, the idea that these brothers and sisters are from one of Joe Carpenter’s previous marriages is not supported by the NT.   But it is not denied by scripture, either.   Another possible scenario is that St. Joe has died, and Mary and Jesus have been staying with one of Joseph’s brothers, who has a wife named Mary and whose children are those listed.   If Joseph had died not long after the finding of Jesus in the temple, then Jesus would have grown up in that other family and the neighbors would have identified them as ‘brothers and sisters.’  In reality, they would be cousins. Notice they never call Jesus, "Joseph’s son", which would be common if they knew his father (Simon was bar Jonah; in most cases if the father is known his name is given).  They referred to him instead as "the carpenter" or "the carpenter’s son" (Mark and Matthew give different titles).  It does not sound like Joseph is in the picture anymore.

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Similarly the Bible does not state that Mary bore other children.

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**  Matt 13:54 … does. — Rich, 805-386-3734, www.vcnet.com/measures, remove ^ from adr.

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In article http://www.bible.ca/cath-mary-had-many-children.htm No wheres in the bible does the bible say "Mary had other children". No wheres. I see you refuse to study. It figures.

**  But of course.  Whatever is downloaded into the brain before the 7th birthday sticks like superglue.  This why James’. the younger brother of Yeshua/Jesus, ossuary was labeled a fake that was created by enemies of the Virgin Mary and God’s Holy Church.  This is also why God’s Holy Church has no interest whatsoever in publishing the singed 23-page book the same James wrote that was recovered from the ashes of the original Library of Alexandria and stored in a crypt until it was dug up 1559 years later in 1950. — Rich, 805-386-3734, www.vcnet.com/measures, remove ^ from adr.

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In article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – if i come first in a race somebody must have come second. the point is jesus was a first born, therefore mary must have had at least one more child. Nope…  flawed conclusion.  Whether there were other children or not … firstborn is still the first one born follow your own logic for once. No where in the Bible does it say Jesus was the last born.

**  Mariology is the foundation of the Faith because it is the cornerstone of sexual shame and guilt when inculcated children reach the hormone-zone and begin to have those damnable "impure thoughts". — Rich, 805-386-3734, www.vcnet.com/measures, remove ^ from adr.

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if i come first in a race somebody must have come second. the point is jesus was a first born, therefore mary must have had at least one more child. Nope…  flawed conclusion.  Whether there were other children or not … firstborn is still the first one born follow your own logic for once. No where in the Bible does it say Jesus was the last born.

Why should it?  The title "firstborn" is a sign of importance in the family. Lastborn is not, and there is no such ranking. God bless, Stephen — — Stephen Korsman www.theotokos.co.za www.theotokos.co.za/adventism IC | XC NI | KA

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Yes, we are ALL her children.  Rev 12:17

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Then why did Jesus put Mary into the care of John? Why does the Bible then (in Matthew 27:56) 56Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee’s sons. identify another Mary as the mother of James and Joses (who are supposedly Jesus’ brothers)? If you claim that that is Mary, Jesus’ mother, why did Matthew not identify her as Jesus’ mother, but as the mother of other sons? Let’s see some actual discussion from you CB… not you just running from the tough ones. Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Still Only $9.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com       <<<<<<<   The Worlds Uncensored News Source   <<<<<<<<

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No wheres in the bible does the bible say "Mary had other children". No wheres. duke, American-American ***** 2Cor 5:10 – For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. *****

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if i come first in a race somebody must have come second. the point is jesus was a first born, therefore mary must have had at least one more child.

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if i come first in a race somebody must have come second. the point is jesus was a first born, therefore mary must have had at least one more child.

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http://www.bible.ca/cath-mary-had-many-children.htm No wheres in the bible does the bible say "Mary had other children". No wheres.

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if i come first in a race somebody must have come second. the point is jesus was a first born, therefore mary must have had at least one more child. Nope…  flawed conclusion.  Whether there were other children or not … firstborn is still the first one born

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It can be done either way, in commercial buildings it usually has vinyl or rubber base boards. In residential when using wood construction adhesive is applied to the back and some brads are used to hold it in place until it sets. There are also some finish drywall screws that have a head about the size of a #8 finish nail. they will have been recessed and filled before finishing with paint or stain. I would ask your contractor what they will do, or tell them what you would prefer. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Slightly off topic here, but Dennis (or anyone else for that matter) when you frame with steel and your walls are up, do you normally attach the baseboards with fine thread screws or do you use glue?  I’m having a home built in Florida that will be metal studs and I’m curious what I’ll be facing when removing baseboards or attaching things to those studs. Thanks, Mike Don’t use wood, use metal studs. they are cheaper here than wood and they will not warp over time. Basements are notorious for being damp, so Ive been told. We don’t have many here in Texas. They are easy to work with and come in lengths starting at 8′ and on up. You will use the fine thread scews to attach the drywall. Course ones are for wood. Hope this helps. Dennis Russell Carvalho Construction Commercial & Residential Carpentry & Repairs CarvalhoconstructionATyahoo dot com 214-797-0480 Mobile

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Slightly off topic here, but Dennis (or anyone else for that matter) when you frame with steel and your walls are up, do you normally attach the baseboards with fine thread screws or do you use glue?  I’m having a home built in Florida that will be metal studs and I’m curious what I’ll be facing when removing baseboards or attaching things to those studs. Thanks, Mike

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t use wood, use metal studs. they are cheaper here than wood and they will not warp over time. Basements are notorious for being damp, so Ive been told. We don’t have many here in Texas. They are easy to work with and come in lengths starting at 8′ and on up. You will use the fine thread scews to attach the drywall. Course ones are for wood. Hope this helps. Dennis Russell Carvalho Construction Commercial & Residential Carpentry & Repairs CarvalhoconstructionATyahoo dot com 214-797-0480 Mobile

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I am going to finsh the basement, with wood framing. I will use screws on drywall. Wood tends to change shape over time this the wall will not look as vertical and flat as when it was put up. What are the ways to keep the wall right? From the people I talked to they said to keep the warps on the same side. This means I should check which way the wood is caving in and put the vertical studs warping on the same side. Another person said if nailing drywall to wood, to put an adhesive bead on the side of each stud where the drywall will fall onto. Since I am screwing rather than nailing the drywall would this do any good, if it will what type of adhesive should I use? What other tips do you have for framing with wood?

One bit of good news is that non-flatness of walls is really quite unnoticeable.  Especially when painted with flat or satin paint.  (Is that why they call it "flat" paint?  I once built cupboards for my sisters old house.  The difference in plumb from the bottom of the uppers to the top, about two feet high, was two inches horizontal.  It wasn’t noticeable.  Sure was a bother to work around, though. This thread has featured lots of good thoughts.  Especially about using insulation; don’t stint on that.  Someone said not to bother with glue (Liquid Nails, etc., I gather) but I would disagree.  But that’s also a minor issue.  If you do a baseboard, you can use that thin flexible stuff at the borg, or you may elect a more substantial homemade baseboard.  If the latter case, look into the traditional two- and three-part baseboards.  The idea is that a heavier board will not conform to the variations in the wall (they’ll be there) and so you use another smaller piece, a cove molding or ogee molding or perhaps quarter round, on top of the main baseboard to fit snugly against the wall. Will

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I am going to finsh the basement, with wood framing. I will use screws on drywall. Wood tends to change shape over time this the wall will not look as vertical and flat as when it was put up. What are the ways to keep the wall right? From the people I talked to they said to keep the warps on the same side. This means I should check which way the wood is caving in and put the vertical studs warping on the same side. Another person said if nailing drywall to wood, to put an adhesive bead on the side of each stud where the drywall will fall onto. Since I am screwing rather than nailing the drywall would this do any good, if it will what type of adhesive should I use? What other tips do you have for framing with wood?

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Just attach some rigid insulation to the wall before putting up the stud wall then insulate as usual. The thermal loss will be minimal. Dennis Russell Carvalho Construction Commercial & Residential Carpentry & Repairs CarvalhoconstructionATyahoo dot com 214-797-0480 Mobile – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t use wood, use metal studs. Problem with the cold climate here in Canada is that metal studs, being a conductor, will remove to the exterior wall some of the heat indoors. Or is there a trick to use metal without letting it take some of the heat away?

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Don’t use wood, use metal studs. they are cheaper here than wood and they will not warp over time. Basements are notorious for being damp, so Ive been told. We don’t have many here in Texas. They are easy to work with and come in lengths starting at 8′ and on up. You will use the fine thread scews to attach the drywall. Course ones are for wood. Hope this helps.

Owens-Corning makes a foamboard with the long edges rabbeted.  Butt the edges together, then use screws to install 2×3 furring over the seams. I imagine Dow makes a similar product. EPS foam is good below grade because it allows the concrete wall to dry to the interior should it ever get wet for any reason. Take a look at http://www.buildingscience.com for a discussion of basement insulation systems.

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Don’t worry about it.  Just frame the wall with kiln dried lumber.  Pick straight boards and go for it.  Everything will be fine.  You are worying about such minor details.  You can bet that the rest of the house wasn’t framed with anything like that kind of fussyness. As far as how the walls will look in 20 years.  Fine! I am going to finsh the basement, with wood framing. I will use screws on drywall. Wood tends to change shape over time this the wall will not look as vertical and flat as when it was put up. What are the ways to keep the wall right? From the people I talked to they said to keep the warps on the same side. This means I should check which way the wood is caving in and put the vertical studs warping on the same side. Another person said if nailing drywall to wood, to put an adhesive bead on the side of each stud where the drywall will fall onto. Since I am screwing rather than nailing the drywall would this do any good, if it will what type of adhesive should I use? What other tips do you have for framing with wood?

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Put an air gap between two walls. Frame one wall.  Now frame another 1/2 inch offset from the first.  Now no metal stud connects both sides of the wall. Don’t use wood, use metal studs. Problem with the cold climate here in Canada is that metal studs, being a conductor, will remove to the exterior wall some of the heat indoors. Or is there a trick to use metal without letting it take some of the heat away?

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you could go 16" OC but since the studs are stagged, the wall will be way over built. 24" OC may give some problems as you suggested but the walls will still be overbuilt, won’t conduct noise and you can (with luck) do a continuous weave of fiberglass insulation (at at a higher R-value.) And the price should be comparible. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would avoid using 24" centers unless *absolutely* necessary.  Sticking with the usual 16" will give you a much stiffer wall, with fewer screws/nails popping thru the drywall as time passes and/or people lean on the walls. Only the ripoff new-home industry uses 24" centers, but at least they use 5/8" drywall to try to stiffen things up a bit.  Why not use 16" centers AND 5/8" drywall for added "oomph"? 24" OC 24" OC means?   24" on center……studs are spaced 24" apart center to center. You may want to check a book out at the library concerning framing techniques. Might learn some details that will save time and help with a quality job.

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Don’t use wood, use metal studs…… They are easy to work with and come in lengths starting at 8′ and on up….

Eehh, I think you are making it too complicated for the poor newbie. Most people find it easier to work with regular good old wood.  Metal can be fast for the pro, but miserable to work with. -v.

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I haven’t seen a wood stud in commercial work in ten years.

Part of that is building code, metal studs are non-combustible, as needed in much commercial work.  But not a useful factor in an otherwise wood framed house. -v.

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I am going to finsh the basement, with wood framing. I will use screws on drywall. Wood tends to change shape over time this the wall will not look as vertical and flat as when it was put up.

I doubt there will be any change you will notice.  Isn’t your whole house wood framed?  The wood indeed moves but it is doing so already, it is generally no big deal. -v.

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24" OC

24" OC means?

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24" OC 24" OC means?

    24" on center……studs are spaced 24" apart center to center. You may want to check a book out at the library concerning framing techniques. Might learn some details that will save time and help with a quality job.

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On center meaning the spacing of the studs would be every 24 inches. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 24" OC 24" OC means?

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I would avoid using 24" centers unless *absolutely* necessary.  Sticking with the usual 16" will give you a much stiffer wall, with fewer screws/nails popping thru the drywall as time passes and/or people lean on the walls. Only the ripoff new-home industry uses 24" centers, but at least they use 5/8" drywall to try to stiffen things up a bit.  Why not use 16" centers AND 5/8" drywall for added "oomph"? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 24" OC 24" OC means?    24" on center……studs are spaced 24" apart center to center. You may want to check a book out at the library concerning framing techniques. Might learn some details that will save time and help with a quality job.

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I am going to finsh the basement, with wood framing. I will use screws on drywall. Wood tends to change shape over time this the wall will not look as vertical and flat as when it was put up. What other tips do you have for framing with wood?

I have a 40 X 50 ft. basement which I finished.  I used 2×4 treated which I fastened to the wall with screws. I used a rigid insulation. In the larger room I used  knotty pine with clear finish. The pine is 48 inches with a chair rail on top and dry wall above that. I cut lap joints on the pine and rounded the edges with a router. Spaced the boards 1/8 inch apart so it will have room to move and the lap joint covers any movement. My ham radio and wine making room are paneled. I spaced all the wood off the floor a tad to prevent any moisture from the floor getting into the wood. I run a de-humidifier in the summer when needed and in the winter the wood stove takes care of that. Hope this helps. Virgle

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I am going to finsh the basement, with wood framing. I will use screws on drywall. Wood tends to change shape over time this the wall will not look as vertical and flat as when it was put up. What are the ways to keep the wall right? From the people I talked to they said to keep the warps on the same side. This means I should check which way the wood is caving in and put the vertical studs warping on the same side. Another person said if nailing drywall to wood, to put an adhesive bead on the side of each stud where the drywall will fall onto. Since I am screwing rather than nailing the drywall would this do any good, if it will what type of adhesive should I use? What other tips do you have for framing with wood?

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Don’t use wood, use metal studs. they are cheaper here than wood and they will not warp over time. Basements are notorious for being damp, so Ive been told. We don’t have many here in Texas. They are easy to work with and come in lengths starting at 8′ and on up. You will use the fine thread scews to attach the drywall. Course ones are for wood. Hope this helps. Dennis Russell Carvalho Construction Commercial & Residential Carpentry & Repairs CarvalhoconstructionATyahoo dot com 214-797-0480 Mobile – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am going to finsh the basement, with wood framing. I will use screws on drywall. Wood tends to change shape over time this the wall will not look as vertical and flat as when it was put up. What are the ways to keep the wall right? From the people I talked to they said to keep the warps on the same side. This means I should check which way the wood is caving in and put the vertical studs warping on the same side. Another person said if nailing drywall to wood, to put an adhesive bead on the side of each stud where the drywall will fall onto. Since I am screwing rather than nailing the drywall would this do any good, if it will what type of adhesive should I use? What other tips do you have for framing with wood?

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tip 1 – buy Kiln dried straight-as-you-can-find studs. Then warpage will be minimal.  Let it acclimate to the room. tip 2 – forget the glue, my friend tip 3 – screw the sheetrock horizontally, using drywall screws. tip 4 – then go have a beer.  Except for the taping, your done! dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am going to finsh the basement, with wood framing. I will use screws on drywall. Wood tends to change shape over time this the wall will not look as vertical and flat as when it was put up. What are the ways to keep the wall right? From the people I talked to they said to keep the warps on the same side. This means I should check which way the wood is caving in and put the vertical studs warping on the same side. Another person said if nailing drywall to wood, to put an adhesive bead on the side of each stud where the drywall will fall onto. Since I am screwing rather than nailing the drywall would this do any good, if it will what type of adhesive should I use? What other tips do you have for framing with wood?

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tip 1 – buy Kiln dried straight-as-you-can-find studs. Then warpage will be minimal.  Let it acclimate to the room.

How long to leave it for acclimation?

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Don’t use wood, use metal studs.

Problem with the cold climate here in Canada is that metal studs, being a conductor, will remove to the exterior wall some of the heat indoors. Or is there a trick to use metal without letting it take some of the heat away?

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Don’t use wood, use metal studs. Problem with the cold climate here in Canada is that metal studs, being a conductor, will remove to the exterior wall some of the heat indoors. Or is there a trick to use metal without letting it take some of the heat away?

could always use metal 2X4’s staggered on a 6" sill (I think that’s the term). you can go 24" OC and nothing conducts from inside to outside.

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    I would go with metal.  Just add a layer of 1-2 inch fiberglass insulation between the wall and the studs, plus insulation between the studs.     BTW with a basement the upper half is far more important to insulate than the lower half. — Joseph E. Meehan 26 + 6 = 1  It’s Irish Math

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I am going to finsh the basement, with wood framing. I will use screws on drywall. Wood tends to change shape over time this the wall will not look as vertical and flat as when it was put up. What are the ways to keep the wall right?

Metal studs. I haven’t seen a wood stud in commercial work in ten years. Barry

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x-no-archive: yes How is life in B.C.?

It’s good. It’s home and it feels like it. I do a walk on the beach almost every day, just went up island for the day with my son to see my Mom and Grandpa and home for dinner.I find it easier to be a good Dad out here. And no snow.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes Wow! 100 replies! Could be more now… I don’t read or post nearly enough to keep up people. Polls are a good way to learn about each other. Answer as many or as few as you like. Or just read other people’s answers and take notes. 1.) How did you get your nick? (for Celebrity F*cker who better answer this) One day, we will get him to cough up those NAMES. I gave myself this one because it amused me. 2.) Where do you live? Silicon Valley, California, USA (coming up on  2 years now) 3.) What do you do for a living? Computer stuff. 4.) Diagnosis? Freak. 5.) Meds? Klonny. 6.) Married, single, divorced, other? separated for many years. Never officially divorced Exactly the same as you. 7.) Do you have kids? How many? Two: A teenage boy  and a girl who is one month shy of turning 8. 8.) Do you have siblings? How many? 10 years ago i found my birth mother, and along with her my new half brother and half sister. 9.) Do you have pets? How many? A Russian Dwarf Hamster, albino.

Russian Dwarf Hamster? I love hamsters (I hate that dancing one seen on all those pages a few years ago) Have you ever see a Skinny Pig? Bald Guinea pig with only a hairy snout. I realized why they called them pigs after I saw the little fella.I really miss my dog so I think a freaky little pet is on my list soon.

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1.) How did you get your nick?

I thought it was the best name I could come up with. 2.) Where do you live?

In the San Francisco area, in California. 3.) What do you do for a living?

I’m a student… sort of. 4.) Diagnosis?

As of this Thursday, I’m supposedly bipolar. Up until then it was just run-of-the-mill depression and anxiety disorders. 5.) Meds?

I’m on 10mg a day of prozac. 6.) Married, single, divorced, other?

None of the above. 7.) Do you have kids? How many?

No kids. 8.) Do you have siblings? How many?

No brothers, no sisters. 9.) Do you have pets? How many?

Two tabby cats. 10.) When is your favorite time to read/post to asd/asdf.

Whenever I’m home which is basically all the time. 11.) Favorite website?

Don’t have one. 12.) What are you wearing?

Sweat pants and a plaid long-sleeve shirt that is held together with safety pins. 13.) What’s in your cd player right now?

"Sticky Fingers" by the Rolling Stones

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I don’t read or post nearly enough to keep up people. Polls are a good way to learn about each other. Answer as many or as few as you like. Or just read other people’s answers and take notes.

1.) How did you get your nick? (for Celebrity F*cker who better answer this)

It’s my name. I got my nick from a childhood friend. After the candy bar and my first name)

mmm kitkat bars. mmmm. mmmm. 2.) Where do you live?

Plantation, Florida. Near Fort Lauderdale. With my boyfriend, his cat, his roommate, a guy who lives on our couch, and my Saint Bernard. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

never been there 3.) What do you do for a living?

Data Entry. Eventually I want to be a full time Mama. I teach emotionally disturbed children in grades 1, 2, 3

Do you like it? I think you said you do. I hope you do. 4.) Diagnosis?

bleh.. Borderline Personality Disorder but I don’t think that would fit me were I to see a doctor today. dysthymia with periodic bouts of severe clinical depression, ptsd

{{kit4kat}} 5.) Meds?

Tried several. Not on any at the moment. not at the moment 6.) Married, single, divorced, other?

Living with my boyfriend. We’ve been dating a little over a year. separated for many years. Never officially divorced

didn’t know this. 7.) Do you have kids? How many?

No but I want ten. Two — My daughter is 14. My son would be 11. He died 4 1/2 years ago.

{{{kit4kat}}} 8.) Do you have siblings? How many?

8 siblings. I am the 4th of 9 children. There are 4 girls and 5 boys. 3 brothers, one sister. I am the youngest of the five of us.

9.) Do you have pets? How many?

I have a cat named Allen who lives happily in Indiana with my family. I have a dog (cocker spaniel / lab mix) named Brownie who also lives happily in Indiana with my family. I have a Saint Bernard named Kegger that lives with me My boyfriend has a cat named Zelda. One cat. My white fluffy jennycat. She is about 11 years old.

mreow 10.) When is your favorite time to read/post to asd/asdf.

All through out the day, between whatever else I’m doing. Except I work now so I usually skim in the morning (seven-thirty-am-ish) & then delve further at night (five pm-ish) I usually read in the evenings. When I can’t sleep, I become one of the night owl posters (Hi wombn).

I used to stay up all night and post. 11.) Favorite website?

http://www.neopets.com I can’t live without google. I also read metafilter just about every day. Sometimes it’s good, sometimes it’s not.

I’m marrying Google. 12.) What are you wearing?

Faded blue jeans, huge hole in the right knee. Rusty-orange Harley Davidson shirt. Red nail polish. blue jeans, red sweatshirt. brown birkenstock clogs

13.) What’s in your cd player right now?

nothing. A bunch of old 60’s and 70’s hits. currently playing — What’s Going On by Marvin Gaye. Wow. This poll is too long. I’ll stop now.

awwwww – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – kit4kat "Knowledge is love and light and vision." -Helen Keller

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| I don’t read or post nearly enough to keep up people. Polls are a good | way to learn about each other. Answer as many or as few as you like. | Or just read other people’s answers and take notes. | | 1.) How did you get your nick? (for Celebrity F*cker who better answer | this) haha!  it’s self explanatory, but he won’t give us the specifics. Bastard! Myself, I got my nick from my dog – who got hers from me so it only seemed fair. | | 2.) Where do you live? | Ottawa, Canada. | | 3.) What do you do for a living? Sell art supplies on the internet. | | I teach emotionally disturbed children in grades 1, 2, 3 | | 4.) Diagnosis? | | dysthymia with periodic bouts of severe clinical depression, ptsd Exact same as you. | | 5.) Meds? | | not at the moment Me neither! | | 6.) Married, single, divorced, other? | | separated for many years. Never officially divorced Big D for me. | | 7.) Do you have kids? How many? | | Two — My daughter is 14. My son would be 11. He died 4 1/2 years ago. Me, three.  Conor, 17, Diana, 16, Sean, 14. | | 8.) Do you have siblings? How many? | | 3 brothers, one sister. I am the youngest of the five of us. One brother (he’s gone) two sisters. | | 9.) Do you have pets? How many? | | One cat. My white fluffy jennycat. She is about 11 years old. One cat now.  Kitty, though her official name is KittenLickin’. Black. | | 10.) When is your favorite time to read/post to asd/asdf. | I am more of a daytime poster. | | 11.) Favorite website? Mine!  Of course. | | 12.) What are you wearing? | blue jeans, green flowing type shirt, pink socks. | | 13.) What’s in your cd player right now? A mix, that new eminem song, soggy bottom boys, joni mitchell, treble charger, default, nickelback, michael jackson….. | | Wow. This poll is too long. I’ll stop now. | | — | kit4kat | | "Knowledge is love and light and vision." | -Helen Keller

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hullo =) I’m new around here, so this is a great opportunity for me to let y’all know a bit of what I’m all about. Thanks! I don’t read or post nearly enough to keep up people. Polls are a good way to learn about each other. Answer as many or as few as you like. Or just read other people’s answers and take notes. 1.) How did you get your nick? (for Celebrity F*cker who better answer this)

 From my real name (creative huh?) I used to go by "Tree" but I heard too many bad jokes about "wood". 2.) Where do you live?

a teeny tiny town in VA. called "Floyd" 3.) What do you do for a living?

I am a volunteer GED tutor at the moment. Looking for something local that pays, but there aren’t many jobs in the area. 4.) Diagnosis?

I had a really horrible experience with an adolescent treatment facility when I was 13. This has developed into a deep seated fear and mistrust of mental health care providers, I just won’t go. So I don’t really know. 5.) Meds?

None, ever. I don’t trust that either. 6.) Married, single, divorced, other?

Married =) 7.) Do you have kids? How many?

(my condolences for your loss) I have two as well, son 9 and daughter 4 8.) Do you have siblings? How many?

I’m a only 9.) Do you have pets? How many?

None. I used to keep tropical fish, until about a year ago when I smashed my big aquarium (with my monitor no less). I deem myself unfit for fishkeeping now. 10.) When is your favorite time to read/post to asd/asdf.

In the evenings, after dinner dishes are done and the kiddos are settled. 11.) Favorite website?

I’m a googlite too, say have you ever tried "googlewhacking"? It’s finding a two word search term that only brings up one result in google. Mine is "biogeochemical lollipop" =) 12.) What are you wearing?

a black t-shirt with some naked comic book chick (elenex?) curled up on it, plaid jama pants and black satin slippers. 13.) What’s in your cd player right now?

Rush – Moving Pictures Wow. This poll is too long. I’ll stop now.

Whew! finally! Thanks for letting me share =) Christy

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I’d love to go there sometime.

Don’t go now, it’s getting cold. Come in the spring. What are you studying?

I’m in my last year of high school, so I’m really not studying anything. I’m supposed to be learning little bits and pieces of six different subjects that they throw at me, but… nah. You should learn to sew. I just bought one of those mini sewing machines so I can repair all these clothes I have sitting in my bedroom that I don’t wear anymore.

I think too much of the material has been torn off or just disintegrated from wear for it to fit properly if I ever sewed the remaining pieces back together. It’s just the sleeves and the parts around the sleeves that I have held together with pins. The front and back of my shirt are solid, with a multitude of pinky-finger-width and smaller holes mysteriously appearing in them constantly. I like the stones.

Everyone who likes the Stones is okay with me.

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oops forgot to add to diagnoses my other problems:  Hemophiliac with Hep C. There, now I feel better.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t read or post nearly enough to keep up people. Polls are a good way to learn about each other. Answer as many or as few as you like. Or just read other people’s answers and take notes. 1.) How did you get your nick? (for Celebrity F*cker who better answer this) Fate alway’s seems to throw me Twists. first name)   Paul 2.) Where do you live? Central Ontario Canada, on the beautiful shore of Lake Simcoe 3.) What do you do for a living? Disability Pension 4.) Diagnosis? Severe Depression 5.) Meds?  Wellbutrin, Imovane…. 6.) Married, single, divorced, other? Married for 18 yrs to Kellie. She has given me 3 great kids. Jonathan 17, Jillian 15, Ethan 13. 7.) Do you have kids? See above 8.) Do you have siblings? How many? 8 siblings. I am the 4th of 9 children. There are 4 girls and 5 boys. 2 brothers one older one younger 9.) Do you have pets? How many? A dog. He’s a Airedale Terrier called Strider. Named after a character from my favorite books by Tolkien. 10.) When is your favorite time to read/post to asd/asdf. All day long, anytime, when the Spirit moves me. And when I need to set % straight!!! 11.) Favorite website? Don’t have one favorite. 12.) What are you wearing? A goatee, black shirt, blue jeans, white jockies, white socks… 13.) What’s in your cd player right now? zilch, nada, nothing. Wow. This poll is too long. I’ll stop now. Nah, something to do. "Knowledge is love and light and vision." -Helen Keller

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t read or post nearly enough to keep up people. Polls are a good way to learn about each other. Answer as many or as few as you like. Or just read other people’s answers and take notes. 1.) How did you get your nick? (for Celebrity F*cker who better answer this) Fate alway’s seems to throw me Twists. first name)   Paul 2.) Where do you live? Central Ontario Canada, on the beautiful shore of Lake Simcoe 3.) What do you do for a living? Disability Pension 4.) Diagnosis? Severe Depression 5.) Meds?

 Wellbutrin, Imovane…. 6.) Married, single, divorced, other? Married for 18 yrs to Kellie. She has given me 3 great kids. Jonathan 17,

Jillian 15, Ethan 13. 7.) Do you have kids? See above 8.) Do you have siblings? How many? 8 siblings. I am the 4th of 9 children. There are 4 girls and 5 boys. 2 brothers one older one younger 9.) Do you have pets? How many? A dog. He’s a Airedale Terrier called Strider. Named after a character

from my favorite books by Tolkien. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 10.) When is your favorite time to read/post to asd/asdf. All day long, anytime, when the Spirit moves me. And when I need to set % straight!!! 11.) Favorite website? Don’t have one favorite. 12.) What are you wearing? A goatee, black shirt, blue jeans, white jockies, white socks… 13.) What’s in your cd player right now? zilch, nada, nothing. Wow. This poll is too long. I’ll stop now. Nah, something to do. "Knowledge is love and light and vision." -Helen Keller

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1.) How did you get your nick? Ask BabyCat 2.) Where do you live? In no where land USA with Dorothy 3.) What do you do for a living? graphic artist, administrative assistant, collections, … 4.) Diagnosis? ptsd 5.) Meds? lexapro 6.) Married, single, divorced, other? twice widowed, once divorced, now permanently single (TK says I can call him husband, but I’m not young enough to call him grand husband) 7.) Do you have kids? How many? Empty Nester 8.) Do you have siblings? How many? Youngest of 16, most of which are dead. 9.) Do you have pets? How many? One cuddlebunny named Lily Belle (BabyCat), my current child. 10.) When is your favorite time to read/post to asd/asdf. whenever 11.) Favorite website? none 12.) What are you wearing? oversized shirt and undies (ie. not much) 13.) What’s in your cd player right now? Meat Loaf

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I think too much of the material has been torn off or just disintegrated from wear for it to fit properly if I ever sewed the remaining pieces back together. It’s just the sleeves and the parts around the sleeves that I have held together with pins. The front and back of my shirt are solid, with a multitude of pinky-finger-width and smaller holes mysteriously appearing in them constantly.

LoL sounds like burn holes

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LoL sounds like burn holes

Upon close inspection, they don’t look like they were burned in. In fact, one of them has reasonably intact threads crossing the entire hole. Burns would leave a smell, or some ash or something, no? It’s really weird. One of the mysteries of the universe, my very-slowly-self-destructing shirt, right up there with one sock disappearing in the dryer.

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In northeast FL, not far from the Atlantic. i will never be far from my love, and i never have been.

I lived in Jacksonville for a while, was nice there, except for the smell and the sand fleas. jillions, but the ones that come to mind are www.theonion.com,

I loooove the onion! Got absolutely hooked on it when I lived in Denver. ‘holds hand out for shaking’ nicetameetcha! Christy

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I don’t read or post nearly enough to keep up people. Polls are a good way to learn about each other. Answer as many or as few as you like. Or just read other people’s answers and take notes. 1.) How did you get your nick? (for Celebrity F*cker who better answer this)

a tribute to iggy and curly 2.) Where do you live?

Nashville, Tennessee 3.) What do you do for a living? Lawyer 4.) Diagnosis? Severe Depression 5.) Meds?

Remeron and Effexor 6.) Married, single, divorced, other? divorced, remarried 7.) Do you have kids? How many? Two:   son 16, daughter 15 8.) Do you have siblings? How many?

  one brother, lost to the world 9.) Do you have pets? How many?

a funny dog 10.) When is your favorite time to read/post to asd/asdf.

mornign and evening 11.) Favorite website?

nytimes.com and  allmusicguide.com 12.) What are you wearing?

grey shorts and a long sleeve T shirt 13.) What’s in your cd player right now?

"From Here to Eternity"  a live CD by the Clash – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow. This poll is too long. I’ll stop now. — kit4kat "Knowledge is love and light and vision." -Helen Keller

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LoL sounds like burn holes Upon close inspection, they don’t look like they were burned in. In fact, one of them has reasonably intact threads crossing the entire hole. Burns would leave a smell, or some ash or something, no? It’s really weird. One of the mysteries of the universe, my very-slowly-self-destructing shirt, right up there with one sock disappearing in the dryer.

Not if the burns came from tiny sparks, like for example those given off when a seed that has accidently gotten itself rolled up in something pops….

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I don’t read or post nearly enough to keep up people. Polls are a good way to learn about each other. Answer as many or as few as you like. Or just read other people’s answers and take notes. 1.) How did you get your nick? (for Celebrity F*cker who better answer this)

My cats 2.) Where do you live?

Orange County, California 3.) What do you do for a living?

Engineering, Land Surveying, Graphics arts, website design , and whatever else I can make money with. 4.) Diagnosis?

Not sure yet… several things… Panic, anxiety, possibly manic depressive… They’re still trying to decide. 5.) Meds?

on and off 6.) Married, single, divorced, other?

D 12 years ago. 7.) Do you have kids? How many?

No kids, cant’ have them. 8.) Do you have siblings? How many?

no. only child. 9.) Do you have pets? How many?

2 cats, they’re my kids. 10.) When is your favorite time to read/post to asd/asdf.

Whenever I feel like it, which seems to be all the time. 11.) Favorite website?

huh, too many of them. 12.) What are you wearing?

Jeans and a t-shirt, always. 13.) What’s in your cd player right now?

mmm, maybe my winamp… a hodge podge.

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Well, you used to have a nick. What made you decide to stop using it?

I originally posted using Rebecca Jo. Then my father did a search for something and came up with a post with my name on it. Of course he read it. I was talking about self-injuring. He got upset and told me I had to tell my mother or he was going to. He also was upset that anyone who searched for what he searched for would see my name & see that I was crazy. So I changed my nick to Dreamcatcher. Then I decided I didn’t care anymore what he thought about my craziness and what other people thought about my craziness. So I changed it back. And here I am. Rebecca Jo.

to you too My ex lives in Tampa.

I dislike Florida a lot and will not be living here forever. I’ve never lived anywhere else. It’s ok. Medium sized city (about 300,000 ) Not much exciting here.

I wanna live in the boonies somewhere. I liked staying home when my kids were little until the depression took over.

nodnods. This year I do. Last year was horrible. I almost quit. I don’t think I can do it for very long. It’s stressful and heart wrenching.

nodnodnods. (((kit4kat))) Probably not.

Wow!

hehe.  Saint bernards are cool dogs.

Yes. She’s the snuggliest dog in the world. She thinks she’s a lapdog. She climbs right up on chairs to sit in people’s laps. She’s the best. She’s getting old though It’s like it’s own little club — the nighttime posters.

nodnodnod Cute!

I have three I created one & I adopted 2.

I’m a little odd, I admit. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — kit4kat "Knowledge is love and light and vision." -Helen Keller

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kit4kat wrote… I don’t read or post nearly enough to keep up people. Polls are a good way to learn about each other. Answer as many or as few as you like. Or just read other people’s answers and take notes. 1.) How did you get your nick? (for Celebrity F*cker who better answer this)

lisa hadler was here when i first posted. it seemed prudent for there to be a way to ditinguish btwn us 2.) Where do you live?

west/central massachusetts. the t-shirt in our general store proclaims us to be officially in the middle of nowhere, about 10 miles to the nearest public restroom. 3.) What do you do for a living?

i was a biologist/environmental scientist/database programmer. now disabled from medical stuff. 4.) Diagnosis?

severe chronic major depression, treatment-resistant, sometimes with psychotic features. ptsd. 5.) Meds?

currently megadoses of remeron and effexor, seroquel, lamictal. other stuff for physical problems. 6.) Married, single, divorced, other?

married 19 years. 7.) Do you have kids? How many?

2 boys, ages 6 and 9. 8.) Do you have siblings? How many?

2 younger brothers, one of whom is depressed. 9.) Do you have pets? How many?

10 cats (9 maine coons), 11 fish. 10.) When is your favorite time to read/post to asd/asdf.

when i’m bedridden, i check them 24/7. atm, evening thru late night (early morning?) 11.) Favorite website?

varies. palm freeware, various book sites, cooking, kid crafts, birding sites to identify what’s screeching outside my window. 12.) What are you wearing?

old blue jeans, blue sweatshirt, and a cat. 13.) What’s in your cd player right now?

peter gabriel, so. my 6-yr-old’s current favorite. -lisa

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I don’t read or post nearly enough to keep up people. Polls are a good way to learn about each other. Answer as many or as few as you like. Or just read other people’s answers and take notes. 1.) How did you get your nick? (for Celebrity F*cker who better answer this)

That’s what I am.. a Big, dangerous, fire-breating dragon.. 2.) Where do you live?

Helsinki, Finland, Europe, Tellus, A small solar system with 10 planets and relatively small, middle-aged star.. 3.) What do you do for a living?

Surprisingly little.. I study chemistry and biochemistry at the university, so I guess I’m a student, then.. 4.) Diagnosis?

Clinical depression, severe anxiety about my life.. the usual.. 5.) Meds?

Just painkillers, and not so many of them either nowadays.. 6.) Married, single, divorced, other?

Single, with one very failed engagement behind me.. 7.) Do you have kids? How many?

No kids, never gonna have any.. I think.. was going to, though, but I don’t think I could handle it anymore.. 8.) Do you have siblings? How many?

2 wonderful brothers – both fortunately younger than myself.. 9.) Do you have pets? How many?

Do dustbunnies count? Got the occasional spiders, too.. 10.) When is your favorite time to read/post to asd/asdf.

Nights – I don’t sleep much anyway anymore, so I might as well.. Being on the net is cheaper then, too.. 11.) Favorite website?

Google – Used to be Hotmail, but since people have stopped writing, not anymore.. 12.) What are you wearing?

Fleece sweater, sweatpants, thick socks.. occasionally a smile.. : ) 13.) What’s in your cd player right now?

A DVD with Friends, I’d presume. Can’t possibly move right now.. Wow. This poll is too long. I’ll stop now.

Not at all.. doing polls is always fun.. : ) — The one and only Dragon – so far.. Kun en t

Question:

Glen, In general how was the harvest in S. Ontario this year? Don

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think you’ve already been given the three most common aromatic varieties in North America at least, where ML should be avoided – riesling, gewurztraminer and pinot gris. The original posting was for wines that should not be surlie aged but the ML info is good to know as well. Is there a relationship here where aromatic varieties should not be surlie aged or MLF’ed? Don Hi Don, FWIW, the winery where I now work surlie aged its dry riesling last year, and it was absolutely wonderful.  It won a double gold medal, and sold out in 4 months, rather than the 12 or so that we had hoped for.  No battonage was done. The surlie aging seemed to lend another level of complexity, and really helped the mouthfeel. I had nothing to do with the production of that wine (but  I did enjoy drinking some!!). Dave

Just curious Dave,  did the winery ever try an off dry Riesling before they tried the Surlie?  I think that some of the fruitier wines benefit from a tad of sweetness.  Perhaps even though the Surlie did not add sweetness as in sugar sweetness, it may have taken some of the edge off completely dry. The commercial winery where I work part time decided to make their Reisling bone dry which I (and the winemaker) think is / was a mistake.  We thought that a hint of sweetness would help cary the fruitiness.  The grapes this year had tremendous fruitiness.  It is too bad they did not have enough to make both styles and let the buyers decide.   To me, this would be the most difficult part in owning a commercial winery. It would be difficult at times to make wines that sold as opposed to what you personally THOUGHT people should like. That is where us amateurs have the advantage. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dave Breeden                                          

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Joe, I just checked my notes and the 2001 Gew

Question:

Out of the wilds of British Columbia come reports that the amateurs out there have come across some new red winemaking techniques that they claim drastically improve quality. Details are vague, here’s what I’ve seen… Two major developments occurred to the benefit of home winemakers in British Columbia over the past year.  One was our introduction to a new red wine making regime – the addition of a new enzyme and tannins to red must before fermentation, early pressing to avoid alcoholic extraction of bitter seed tannins, and subsequent supplementing with other tannins during aging – a procedure that has revolutionized red wine making for those who were devotees of extended maceration. Does anyone know more about these techniques and products? Thanks Brian

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Out of the wilds of British Columbia come reports that the amateurs out there have come across some new red winemaking techniques that they claim drastically improve quality. Details are vague, here’s what I’ve seen… Two major developments occurred to the benefit of home winemakers in British Columbia over the past year.  One was our introduction to a new red wine making regime – the addition of a new enzyme and tannins to red must before fermentation, early pressing to avoid alcoholic extraction of bitter seed tannins, and subsequent supplementing with other tannins during aging – a procedure that has revolutionized red wine making for those who were devotees of extended maceration. Does anyone know more about these techniques and products? Thanks Brian

I’ve not used any of these but I know there is a wide assortment of enzymes out there that can do various things.  You can read about a few from Lallemand at this web page: http://www.lallemandwine.com/products/enzyme_strains.php

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Brian – I can’t tell you any details as yet. However having recently joined a winemaking club in North Vancouver I will be able to do some research. I did try at the last social a Syrah (I think) made by one of the members using some new techniques with additives of both tannin and enzymes which produced quite a drinkable wine in a very short time. I will try to get some more details however my guess is that they are using a variety of additive products from Lalvin and Scotts.  The next meeting is on October 28th and I’ll try to get a better description of what the group (or at least those into using additives are doing). I do know that they had both rapidase for colour extraction and go-ferm as a fermentation starter available at the club crush. I attended a very interesting seminar series here last February – one of the speakers was an Okanagan winemaker (Frank Supernak – Hester Creek and now Blasted Church wineries) who spoke at length about using various tannins as additives – I especially remember his discussion of using Quer-tannin (sp?). I think I have a copy of the the proceedings either in softcopy or hardcopy if you are interested I could either send them along – or quote from any details. By the way both Peter Brehm and Francis Mahoney spoke at the symposium as well – it was an excellent event. Just a thought though – a wine crafted, especially via additives, for early drinking may not be something that will stand up if left for the long run. steve

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Out of the wilds of British Columbia come reports that the amateurs out there have come across some new red winemaking techniques that they claim drastically improve quality. Details are vague, here’s what I’ve seen… Two major developments occurred to the benefit of home winemakers in British Columbia over the past year.  One was our introduction to a new red wine making regime – the addition of a new enzyme and tannins to red must before fermentation, early pressing to avoid alcoholic extraction of bitter seed tannins, and subsequent supplementing with other tannins during aging – a procedure that has revolutionized red wine making for those who were devotees of extended maceration. Does anyone know more about these techniques and products? Thanks Brian

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I attended a very interesting seminar series here last February – one of the speakers was an Okanagan winemaker (Frank Supernak – Hester Creek and now Blasted Church wineries) who spoke at length about using various tannins as additives – I especially remember his discussion of using Quer-tannin (sp?). I think I have a copy of the the proceedings either in softcopy or hardcopy if you are interested I could either send them along – or quote from any details.

I would be very interested to see what you have if you can email it. However, the name Quer-tannin would seem to imply an oak derived tannin (after the latin Quercus). I was just looking at a product from this company http://www.ferco-dev.com/home.htm called GrapTan, which they tout as being superior to oak derived tannins. I have used so-called "grape tannins" in the distant past when i made kits, and found them to have that dreadful "sawdust" taste that is mentioned at the Ferco site. I have to wonder how many grapes were actually involved in their production. Hopefully, you can find out some more details at your next club meeting as to the actual products being used in these new regimens. Brian

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You are somewhat right. The skins are mixed with sugar and water to produce alcohol by fermentation as with wine and the fermentation product is then distilled. Some grapas are aged and some are not.

That is cheap brandy, not grappa. Not traditional grappa anyway. Gorak

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Hi All, I’m new to NGs so please excuse me if my format is not proper. I’m looking for any info regaurding the making of Grappa. My understanding is that it is made from the left over skins and stems after the primary fermentation in wine making, and then distilled. Thanks Jesse

Yes that’s how it’s done. You can add a small amount of water to the skins to help with breaking the dry "cake". You then put everything in your distiller, preferably on a grille or something. An ounce of grappa after dinner is a worthy remedy to help digest that dessert that was too sweet. Gorak

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You are somewhat right. The skins are mixed with sugar and water to produce alcohol by fermentation as with wine and the fermentation product is then distilled. Some grapas are aged and some are not.

If you mix the skins with honey and water, you get pyment. Put spices in your pyment and you have hippocras. And to think I used to just throw those skins on the compost pile! Paul

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I’m looking for any info regarding the making of Grappa. My understanding is that it is made from the left over skins and stems after the primary fermentation in wine making, and then distilled.

The pomace from the press is simply heated in a closed but vented vessel. The vapors that are released from the vent are condensed and collected.  The first fraction of the condensate is grappa. Tom S

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Hi All, I’m new to NGs so please excuse me if my format is not proper. I’m looking for any info regaurding the making of Grappa. My understanding is that it is made from the left over skins and stems after the primary fermentation in wine making, and then distilled. Thanks Jesse

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You are somewhat right. The skins are mixed with sugar and water to produce alcohol by fermentation as with wine and the fermentation product is then distilled. Some grapas are aged and some are not.

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I’m new at this and am wondering if I should spend the money on a filter setup. Jim Norem

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Jim,     I will preface by saying that I do have a filter. That having been said… I dont filter everything and would suggest you spend your money on more necessary equiptment for now. Many newcomers are under the impression that they can rush along a wine, or clear a cloudy one with a home filter system. This is not impossible, but a cloudy wine will clog a filter faster than you could believe! I would suggest you use patience, and judicious fining to clear your wine and hold off on the filter until you get your feet a bit wetter. If and when I filter a wine it is almost always without fail clear enough to bottle BEFORE I filter. The filtering serves 2 main purposes for me:     It allows me to leave residual sugar in my wines without the addition of sorbate, and it gives my wine a commercial "polished" look that I take pride in. HTH John Dixon

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I’m new at this and am wondering if I should spend the money on a filter

setup. If and when the time comes, rent one.  Personally, I’ve been doing this for 20 years, and I’m trying to get _away_ from having to filter my wines. Tom S

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J Dixon wrote "The filtering… It allows me to leave residual sugar in my wines without the addition of sorbate". John – I have a cartridge filter and use 1.0 and 0.2 micron filters.  I know the 0.2 will sterilize but I’ve always been concerned that I’ll pick up a stray yeast downstream from the filter.  Sounds like you have good success making sweet wines with just filtration and no sorbate.  Do you use any special technique to keep the filtered wine sterile? Bill Frazier Olathe, Kansas

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Bill,      I was concerned as you are about this so I consulted a well respected winemaker for suggestions. He said that it is best to filter just as you are going into the bottle such as they do in a bottling line. I have even got away with using a .45 micron absolute without any problems, and truthfully prefer it over the .2 micron. My most recent method has been to use a cartridge filter on the suction side of my Enolmatic counter pressure bottle filler. Seems to work well for me so far. HTH John Dixon

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – J Dixon wrote "The filtering… It allows me to leave residual sugar in my wines without the addition of sorbate". John – I have a cartridge filter and use 1.0 and 0.2 micron filters.  I know the 0.2 will sterilize but I’ve always been concerned that I’ll pick up a stray yeast downstream from the filter.  Sounds like you have good success making sweet wines with just filtration and no sorbate.  Do you use any special technique to keep the filtered wine sterile? Bill Frazier Olathe, Kansas

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I have a cartridge filter and use 1.0 and 0.2 micron filters.  I know the 0.2 will sterilize but I’ve always been concerned that I’ll pick up a stray yeast downstream from the filter.

As you well might.  It _might_ just decide to replicate too, but IIRC, 3 cells per bottle is considered "sterile". I’ve sterile filtered a number of times when I was concerned about residual sugar or ML.  I’ve never had a problem when I took the trouble to do it right.  That doesn’t mean doing it _perfectly_;  just pretty well.  It’s not that hard, although it is a PIA to set up.  Typically, I spend close to 2 hours just getting everything ready.  That’s the worst of it. A 0.45 micron membrane cartridge is sufficient.  The wine should be as clear as you can get it before it goes through the membrane for you to get maximum life from the cartridge.  Cartridges are reusable until they are saturated and they are _expen$ive_, so I try to use them several times, at least. Once the wine has been 99+% stripped of viable organisms, all it takes to handle the rest is normal, but sufficient, sulfite levels. Tom S

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I’m new at this and am wondering if I should spend the money on a filter setup. Jim Norem

I have never filtered and my wines have never required it! If pectolytic enzyme is added to remove the pectin (haze) in fruit and Amylase Enzyme for starch (haze) in mainly root veg and cereals (also plums), the wine should become starbrite after a few months. If wine does not clear quickly we are talking say 3 months then Bentonite can be added to fine, although I prefer to add this with the starter. I have had no ill effects in many years of wine making. UK Bristol — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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