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I see you refuse to study. It figures. ** But of course. Whatever is downloaded into the brain before the 7th birthday sticks like superglue. This why James’. the younger brother of Yeshua/Jesus, ossuary was labeled a fake that was created by enemies of the Virgin Mary and God’s Holy Church. This is also why God’s Holy Church has no interest whatsoever in publishing the singed 23-page book the same James wrote that was recovered from the ashes of the original Library of Alexandria and stored in a crypt until it was dug up 1559 years later in 1950.
Why, whatever are you trying to say here, rl? Why don’t you help cb find where in the bible it says that Mary had other children. duke, American-American ***** 2Cor 5:10 – For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. *****
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I see you refuse to study. It figures. ** But of course. Whatever is downloaded into the brain before the 7th birthday sticks like superglue. This why James’. the younger brother of Yeshua/Jesus, ossuary was labeled a fake that was created by enemies of the Virgin Mary and God’s Holy Church. This is also why God’s Holy Church has no interest whatsoever in publishing the singed 23-page book the same James wrote that was recovered from the ashes of the original Library of Alexandria and stored in a crypt until it was dug up 1559 years later in 1950. Why, whatever are you trying to say here, rl?
** that the Church has secrets dark and deep which might cause a True Believer to weep. Why don’t you help cb find where in the bible it says that Mary had other children.
** both scriptures that mention his family have been quoted here. The laugher is that many RC scholars acknowledge that there are separate words in Aramaic for cousin. brother in faith, and brother/sibling, and some are beginning to doubt the Bull. — Rich, 805-386-3734, www.vcnet.com/measures, remove ^ from adr.
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** But of course. Whatever is downloaded into the brain before the 7th birthday sticks like superglue. This why James’. the younger brother of Yeshua/Jesus, ossuary was labeled a fake that was created by enemies of the Virgin Mary and God’s Holy Church. This is also why God’s Holy Church has no interest whatsoever in publishing the singed 23-page book the same James wrote that was recovered from the ashes of the original Library of Alexandria and stored in a crypt until it was dug up 1559 years later in 1950. Why, whatever are you trying to say here, rl? ** that the Church has secrets dark and deep which might cause a True Believer to weep.
Why don’t you help cb find where in the bible it says that Mary had other children. ** both scriptures that mention his family have been quoted here. The laugher is that many RC scholars acknowledge that there are separate words in Aramaic for cousin. brother in faith, and brother/sibling, and some are beginning to doubt the Bull.
Hey, were those Aramaic words in use 2000 years ago? Those same scholars say "no". An interesting statement by a local priest of very high reputation – why do all those people get so worked up about whether Mary remained a virgin after the birth of Christ? It’s certainly not meaningful to Christianity. After all, and from the meaningful position, it’s clear that she "knew not man" before which confirms the conception of Jesus born of a woman and as an act of God. Your turn. duke, American-American ***** 2Cor 5:10 – For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. *****
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<<Also, the idea that these brothers and sisters are from one of Joe Carpenter’s previous marriages is not supported by the NT. But it is not denied by scripture, either.
** good point. Nor do the Holy Scriptures deny that Jesus rode an Arabian horse because asses were just too damn slow to escape from the Pharisees who were after his ass. Another possible scenario is that St. Joe has died, and Mary and Jesus have been staying with one of Joseph’s brothers, who has a wife named Mary and whose children are those listed.
** So Matt 13 is wrong about the they being still with us part? If Joseph had died not long after the finding of Jesus in the temple, then Jesus would have grown up in that other family and the neighbors would have identified them as ‘brothers and sisters.’ In reality, they would be cousins.
** the morning stretch Notice they never call Jesus, "Joseph’s son", which would be common if they knew his father (Simon was bar Jonah; in most cases if the father is known his name is given). They referred to him instead as "the carpenter" or "the carpenter’s son" (Mark and Matthew give different titles). It does not sound like Joseph is in the picture anymore.
** not quite plausible. Maybe – just maybe – God, in his great Wisdom and Mercy – gave Mary a normal Grafenberg Spot plus a normal clitoris and Mary enjoyed not only her additional 4 sons and ?daughters, but she also enjoyed doin’ It because she had normal orgasms? — Rich, 805-386-3734, www.vcnet.com/measures, remove ^ from adr.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – if i come first in a race somebody must have come second. the point is jesus was a first born, therefore mary must have had at least one more child. Nope… flawed conclusion. Whether there were other children or not … firstborn is still the first one born follow your own logic for once. No where in the Bible does it say Jesus was the last born.
So what. Last born isn’t a generally used term. First born is… doesn’t definitively prove there were others born. Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Still Only $9.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com <<<<<<< The Worlds Uncensored News Source <<<<<<<<
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – if i come first in a race somebody must have come second. the point is jesus was a first born, therefore mary must have had at least one more child. Nope… flawed conclusion. Whether there were other children or not … firstborn is still the first one born follow your own logic for once. No where in the Bible does it say Jesus was the last born. Similarly the Bible does not state that Mary bore other children. ** Matt 13:54 … does.
53 And when Jesus had finished these parables, he went away from there, 54 and coming to his own country he taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished, and said, "Where did this man get this wisdom and these mighty works? 55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? ok here’s the verse in context. Where is the line about Mary bearing other children? As an exercise for the student name 2 ways you can have a brother without being related to them by blood.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – if i come first in a race somebody must have come second. the point is jesus was a first born, therefore mary must have had at least one more child. Nope… flawed conclusion. Whether there were other children or not … firstborn is still the first one born follow your own logic for once. No where in the Bible does it say Jesus was the last born. Similarly the Bible does not state that Mary bore other children. ** Matt 13:54 … does. 53 And when Jesus had finished these parables, he went away from there, 54 and coming to his own country he taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished, and said, "Where did this man get this wisdom and these mighty works? 55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? ok here’s the verse in context.
** You understandably left out the part about his sisters at Matt 13:56. The reason is apparently that the reference to Jesus’ sisters discredits the idea that the 13.55 is about brothers-in-faith — so "sisters" implies that the quote is about siblings — which would cast hellish doubt on Mary’s perpetual virginity. The argument that the Aramaic word for brother/sibling and the Aramaic word for cousin are the same is quickly disproven by an Aramaic/English dictionary. Also, the idea that these brothers and sisters are from one of Joe Carpenter’s previous marriages is not supported by the NT. Where is the line about Mary bearing other children? As an exercise for the student name 2 ways you can have a brother without being related to them by blood.
** brother in law, brother in faith, abd ”oh, brother” pretty much describes the ends that defenders of mariology employ. — Rich, 805-386-3734, www.vcnet.com/measures, remove ^ from adr.
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if i come first in a race somebody must have come second. the point is jesus was a first born, therefore mary must have had at least one more child.
Wrong, dead wrong. When one is declared first-born, there is no requirement that there be others. Birth is not a race. And the bible never says that she had other children. duke, American-American ***** 2Cor 5:10 – For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. *****
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http://www.bible.ca/cath-mary-had-many-children.htm No wheres in the bible does the bible say "Mary had other children". No wheres. I see you refuse to study. It figures.
Then why don’t you show us all where it says otherwise. duke, American-American ***** 2Cor 5:10 – For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. *****
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<< ** Matt 13:54 … does. 53 And when Jesus had finished these parables, he went away from there, 54 and coming to his own country he taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished, and said, "Where did this man get this wisdom and these mighty works? 55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? But the mother of James and Joseph is a DIFFERENT Mary! See Matt 27:56 and Mark 15:40. The gist of the above verse then is that they knew SOMETHING about Jesus, but not the whole truth.
** But God’s Holy Church knows the truth, of course. The whole truth was that the "holy" men were doing unholy things to children was a well kept secret for many years. Yes, he’s the carpenter’s son, but he’s much more. Yes, his mother is named Mary, but they’ve got incomplete information even about his human roots. The people rejected Jesus, they jumped to conclusions with inadequate information,
** Some did. Some did not. He predicted that false teachers and false prophets would come along in sheep costumes after his death, The powers-that-be of God’s Holy Church’s carry a shepherd’s staff, yet some knowingly sent forth chicken hawks to Prey on the young. they made up their minds without a fair hearing. Even though he had performed miracles, "they took offense at him."
** Religious hypocrites/con artists do not relish criticism. Also, his wine-making ability was no doubt a serious economic threat to the alchoholic beverage industry in Judea. Notice that all the detail information that is claimed to support that Jesus had brothers and sisters comes from witnesses who rejected Jesus! Jesus never talks about his brothers and sisters; nor do the apostles.
** … so Mary and Jesus’ brothers really and truly never came to one of Jesus’ lectures? – Editorial — The RCC’s perpetual Virgin story probably served to reduce the unwanted pregnancy rate before effective contraceptives were invented in the 20th century. — Rich, 805-386-3734, www.vcnet.com/measures, remove ^ from adr.
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<< ** Matt 13:54 … does. 53 And when Jesus had finished these parables, he went away from there, 54 and coming to his own country he taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished, and said, "Where did this man get this wisdom and these mighty works? 55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? But the mother of James and Joseph is a DIFFERENT Mary! See Matt 27:56 and Mark 15:40. The gist of the above verse then is that they knew SOMETHING about Jesus, but not the whole truth. Yes, he’s the carpenter’s son, but he’s much more. Yes, his mother is named Mary, but they’ve got incomplete information even about his human roots. The people rejected Jesus, they jumped to conclusions with inadequate information, they made up their minds without a fair hearing. Even though he had performed miracles, "they took offense at him." Notice that all the detail information that is claimed to support that Jesus had brothers and sisters comes from witnesses who rejected Jesus! Jesus never talks about his brothers and sisters; nor do the apostles.
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<<Also, the idea that these brothers and sisters are from one of Joe Carpenter’s previous marriages is not supported by the NT. But it is not denied by scripture, either. Another possible scenario is that St. Joe has died, and Mary and Jesus have been staying with one of Joseph’s brothers, who has a wife named Mary and whose children are those listed. If Joseph had died not long after the finding of Jesus in the temple, then Jesus would have grown up in that other family and the neighbors would have identified them as ‘brothers and sisters.’ In reality, they would be cousins. Notice they never call Jesus, "Joseph’s son", which would be common if they knew his father (Simon was bar Jonah; in most cases if the father is known his name is given). They referred to him instead as "the carpenter" or "the carpenter’s son" (Mark and Matthew give different titles). It does not sound like Joseph is in the picture anymore.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – if i come first in a race somebody must have come second. the point is jesus was a first born, therefore mary must have had at least one more child. Nope… flawed conclusion. Whether there were other children or not … firstborn is still the first one born follow your own logic for once. No where in the Bible does it say Jesus was the last born.
Similarly the Bible does not state that Mary bore other children.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – if i come first in a race somebody must have come second. the point is jesus was a first born, therefore mary must have had at least one more child. Nope… flawed conclusion. Whether there were other children or not … firstborn is still the first one born follow your own logic for once. No where in the Bible does it say Jesus was the last born. Similarly the Bible does not state that Mary bore other children.
** Matt 13:54 … does. — Rich, 805-386-3734, www.vcnet.com/measures, remove ^ from adr.
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In article http://www.bible.ca/cath-mary-had-many-children.htm No wheres in the bible does the bible say "Mary had other children". No wheres. I see you refuse to study. It figures.
** But of course. Whatever is downloaded into the brain before the 7th birthday sticks like superglue. This why James’. the younger brother of Yeshua/Jesus, ossuary was labeled a fake that was created by enemies of the Virgin Mary and God’s Holy Church. This is also why God’s Holy Church has no interest whatsoever in publishing the singed 23-page book the same James wrote that was recovered from the ashes of the original Library of Alexandria and stored in a crypt until it was dug up 1559 years later in 1950. — Rich, 805-386-3734, www.vcnet.com/measures, remove ^ from adr.
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In article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – if i come first in a race somebody must have come second. the point is jesus was a first born, therefore mary must have had at least one more child. Nope… flawed conclusion. Whether there were other children or not … firstborn is still the first one born follow your own logic for once. No where in the Bible does it say Jesus was the last born.
** Mariology is the foundation of the Faith because it is the cornerstone of sexual shame and guilt when inculcated children reach the hormone-zone and begin to have those damnable "impure thoughts". — Rich, 805-386-3734, www.vcnet.com/measures, remove ^ from adr.
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if i come first in a race somebody must have come second. the point is jesus was a first born, therefore mary must have had at least one more child. Nope… flawed conclusion. Whether there were other children or not … firstborn is still the first one born follow your own logic for once. No where in the Bible does it say Jesus was the last born.
Why should it? The title "firstborn" is a sign of importance in the family. Lastborn is not, and there is no such ranking. God bless, Stephen — — Stephen Korsman www.theotokos.co.za www.theotokos.co.za/adventism IC | XC NI | KA
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http://www.bible.ca/cath-mary-had-many-children.htm
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Yes, we are ALL her children. Rev 12:17
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http://www.bible.ca/cath-mary-had-many-children.htm
Then why did Jesus put Mary into the care of John? Why does the Bible then (in Matthew 27:56) 56Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee’s sons. identify another Mary as the mother of James and Joses (who are supposedly Jesus’ brothers)? If you claim that that is Mary, Jesus’ mother, why did Matthew not identify her as Jesus’ mother, but as the mother of other sons? Let’s see some actual discussion from you CB… not you just running from the tough ones. Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Still Only $9.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com <<<<<<< The Worlds Uncensored News Source <<<<<<<<
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http://www.bible.ca/cath-mary-had-many-children.htm
No wheres in the bible does the bible say "Mary had other children". No wheres. duke, American-American ***** 2Cor 5:10 – For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. *****
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if i come first in a race somebody must have come second. the point is jesus was a first born, therefore mary must have had at least one more child.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.bible.ca/cath-mary-had-many-children.htm No wheres in the bible does the bible say "Mary had other children". No wheres. duke, American-American ***** 2Cor 5:10 – For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. *****
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if i come first in a race somebody must have come second. the point is jesus was a first born, therefore mary must have had at least one more child.
Nope… flawed conclusion. Whether there were other children or not … firstborn is still the first one born Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Still Only $9.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com <<<<<<< The Worlds Uncensored News Source <<<<<<<<
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http://www.bible.ca/cath-mary-had-many-children.htm No wheres in the bible does the bible say "Mary had other children". No wheres.
I see you refuse to study. It figures. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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if i come first in a race somebody must have come second. the point is jesus was a first born, therefore mary must have had at least one more child. Nope… flawed conclusion. Whether there were other children or not … firstborn is still the first one born
follow your own logic for once. No where in the Bible does it say Jesus was the last born. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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